"Remove "In God we trust" from legal tender" Petition on Whitehouse.gov

[Tylale]

when does the nation's motto ever actually matter?

don't try to pull the "oh i won the argument because you failed to address my stupid point"

It doesn't matter, but its still a violation of the constitution even if its a minor one.

I think everyone skipped over this post:

People say that it is to small of a deal to contend, but that same person does not know how to kill a democracy. Let me put it in a simple brown townogy. To kill a democracy is like boiling a frog. If you turn the heat up too quickly, the frog jumps out of the pot. Now, if you are to raise the temperature slowly, the frog will not notice and become vulnerable. If you were to dissolve the separation of the church and state, you would do it by slowly turning up the amount of intrusion that the church had. Now, I'm not saying that there is going to be a religiously controlled government in this country anytime soon, if ever. I'm just saying that this would always going to be a starting point for greater violations of the constitution if someone were to try and practice that.

oh and also, the topic is about a petition to remove it from currency,  so it's irrelevant if it's the motto.
THe topic is about legal tender, and I was talking about legal tender.

For some reason I thought it said changing the motto too, which it should.

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[Daedalus]

Is this really such a big issue we needed a petition about it? I mean, we have to deal with issues of Abortion, Birth Control... Wondering if we should have "In God we trust" on the back of our currency? Seriously, who the forget cares? Don't try giving me that "separating religion from state" bullstuff, one of the bases of freedom in this country was Freedom of Religion. Of course, they fought for the main religion at the time for them, Christianity. However, it is a part of history. This generation's youth should know what the Founding Fathers fought for.

   
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no.
you have no loving idea what separation of church and state means.
we are NOT a christian nation, and it was declared so by our founding fathers that we will never be tied to any one belief.
separation of church and state means keeping religious matters out of government, including education, and in this case, currency.

forget it. One of these I'm going to lead a successful military coup that will Break California, Arizonia, Washingon, Oregon, and Idaho from the Union. We shall be become the Western Republic of North America.

no
I'm in california
stop that

[Littledude]

It doesn't matter, but its still a violation of the constitution even if its a minor one.

what it says on the money is in no way a violation of the first amendment.
Allow me to educate you handicaps about the actual text of the religion section of the first amendment

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

How is the money saying "in god we trust" violating that?
It's not forcing you to believe in god and it is not prohibiting you from worshiping/not worshiping anything else.


Angsty friendy kids get raged about stupid loving stuff.
I don't believe in god, but I see absolutely no reason to change any of this.

[Tylale]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

Having the motto deal with god, which is a religion thing, is respecting an establishment of religion.

[Texan101]

People say that it is to small of a deal to contend, but that same person does not know how to kill a democracy. Let me put it in a simple brown townogy. To kill a democracy is like boiling a frog. If you turn the heat up too quickly, the frog jumps out of the pot. Now, if you are to raise the temperature slowly, the frog will not notice and become vulnerable. If you were to dissolve the separation of the church and state, you would do it by slowly turning up the amount of intrusion that the church had. Now, I'm not saying that there is going to be a religiously controlled government in this country anytime soon, if ever. I'm just saying that this would always going to be a starting point for greater violations of the constitution if someone were to try and practice that.

I'm fully supportive of this action.

You failed to mention that the frog who was slowly brought up to a boil also had his brain removed beforehand.

[Lamebro1]

[fred da kiko]

i'll sign it. it's not like they are going around and taking all the greenbacks, they are going to change the writing on the dollar bills they print from that point on. it would take years for all the god coins to be removed from circulation.

[Littledude]

Having the motto deal with god, which is a religion thing, is respecting an establishment of religion.

no it isn't, that part of the establishment clause represents laws saying that you have to follow this religion's ideals, or changing all the laws to follow the catholic bible and put the pope in control *cough*rick santorum*cough*

[Kochieboy]

I think it isn't very smart to remove it, but it is politically incorrect to have "In god we trust" on the dollar bills and coins.

[Headcrab Zombie]

I don't really give a stuff about it as long as people aren't like "This is a christian country! see it's on our money!"
But I've encountered far too many people who do that, so signed

Not that a meager 20k signatures is going to go far towards removing trillions of coins and bills from circulation, or that removing it from newly minted/printed currency will make any noticeable difference anytime soon.


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Take away "in god we trust" is like saying "Hey were a bunch of people who hate god"

Are you going to say that every other country whose motto doesn't praise god hates religions?
What would be like saying "Hey were a bunch of people who hate god" would be replacing the motto with "In God we do not trust"
That's not what this is. This is removing a mention of a specific one religion.....you do know that there is more than one religion right? And many of them don't believe in your god? Removing this makes in more free for the countless other religions who don't follow your god.

And plus, wasn't "In God We Trust" on currency before Separation of Church and State was even official

The passage that supports separation of church and state is in the first amendment, part of the Bill of Rights ratified in 1791.
"In God We Trust" and "One Nation, under God" was added to our currency and pledge in the 1950s'/60's.

i was mainly concerned that the whole "law" part was neglected and they were paying attention to the words "respect", "government", and "religion".

A law is more than "YOU MAY NOT DO THIS"

I think we auta keep the motto on it. Its the MOTTO and it should always stay on it. Just like how my states motto is "United we stand divided we fall" its on the flag and everything and we ain't taking it off.

Keeping the motto that same is exactly the point.
In God We Trust wasn't our motto until 1956 when it replaced our original motto - E Pluribus Unum.
We're asking to get back the original motto, that was adopted over 200 years ago.

[Tango]

I don't really give a stuff about it as long as people aren't like "This is a christian country! see it's on our money!"
But I've encountered far too many people who do that, so signed

im christian and im going to sign it because of this. its loving annoying.

[Nasoa]

I think congress should worry about other things than a few letters that are small details that have no bearing on your life.

[Beachbum]

People are too loving sensitive. It's a piece of cotton with a dead guys face on it, does it really bother you that it says in god we trust? Ffs

[Bisjac]

I think congress should worry about other things than a few letters that are small details that have no bearing on your life.

well it would take no time or money away from anything if there was a change. as new dies have to be remade every year anyways.

progress for free seems like a plus

[Axolotl]

It would cost a lot of money to reprint a lot of bills with E Pluribus Unum.