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Nature doesn't have any spaceships

we have spaceships

This is the greatest thing ever.

if we followed the laws of nature humanity would be extinct
we have literally nothing going for us except our ability to stick it to mother nature
This is nonsense. You have to start off defining these "laws of nature". All I can think of is gravity, laws regarding how energy works etc. but those laws can't be broken. so I'm not sure what you're saying.

if we followed the laws of nature humanity would be extinct
we have literally nothing going for us except our ability to stick it to mother nature
So we have nothing going for us?
The ability to communicate and build things using tools is nothing?

So we have nothing going for us?
The ability to communicate and build things using tools is nothing?
no because apparently we're using some backdoor cheat so nature police can't catch us!!!1

I don't know what they're talking about either

Did anyone mention the population curve, or the maximum sustainability yield?





If someone decides to make a batstuff crazy topic on population growth without having studied Environmental Science, then this is the crap that others are forced to read.

Pure opinion is useless.

This 'problem' consists for all major diseases. It's heartless but it's what keeps the population in check. It's either dying crually now or dying crually later due to lack of food. The ideal number of people on the planet to have the perfect balance in everything would be around 1 billion. It's already 7 times that and increasing. The reason it's still so abnormally large is that right now there are no 500 caveman dying from a tiger attack each day, or a forest fire just wiping out entire tribes.

Let's hope someone weaponizes (word?) the bird flu like those scientists did (yes the published it, if I recall... it was on ze radio so it's not like I have any links but stuff

This 'problem' consists for all major diseases. It's heartless but it's what keeps the population in check. It's either dying crually now or dying crually later due to lack of food. The ideal number of people on the planet to have the perfect balance in everything would be around 1 billion. It's already 7 times that and increasing. The reason it's still so abnormally large is that right now there are no 500 caveman dying from a tiger attack each day, or a forest fire just wiping out entire tribes.

The "ideal" number depends on how much food is produced, and since we currently produce enough, it's actually not yet a problem.  The only reason there are starving people is due to the nations technology versus the technology of places with food production systems.

I'm not worried about overpopulation. There are plenty of natural factors that keep us from going way over the edge.

This is nonsense. You have to start off defining these "laws of nature". All I can think of is gravity, laws regarding how energy works etc. but those laws can't be broken. so I'm not sure what you're saying.
Gravity and laws of energy and such are Laws of Physics, not Laws of Nature.

The laws of physics will define the laws of nature, but not the other way around, as the laws of physics are the rules to how the entire universe works. The laws of nature are the rules to how life works.


A law of nature is more along the lines that two similar organisms in the same environment at the same time will always compete for resources...
Populations will continue to grow so long as they aren't limited by a factor...
"Law of Nature" is a kinda vague thing with no actual laws you can really really define, but it's how life works in general.

And since we can't truly define a "law of nature", since it's not so much a rule, as it is the most common thing in most scenarios, it is possible for an organism to break a law of nature.

So we have nothing going for us?
The ability to communicate and build things using tools is nothing?
The ability to build things is what Qwepir was talking about.
It's something that most other organisms can't do. Some can, like monkeys using sticks to get into termite-nests, or using rocks to break coconuts, but not at the same level that we do.

But Humans are the only creatures that create and use new tools in order to accomplish it's needs. Which is how you seperate us from everything else in nature.

Since it's difficult to say what exactly is a "law of nature", we instead go by saying what is the norm for nature.
Which in this case is not using tools.
So, through the way that humans act we seemingly go against what would otherwise appear to be a "law of nature"

Wouldn't the law of nature be that you have to eat to survive?
Or like you have to breath air?

Skimmed over your post and assumed your argument is the bullstuff fact that "the earth is overpopulated", and you explain in your post that its good that more people are dieing.

well sir, you're a loving idiot.

There are many laws of nature.

Gravity and laws of energy and such are Laws of Physics, not Laws of Nature.
Yes I know. I said "all I can think of", referring to what I thought he might be thinking of.

"Law of Nature" is a kinda vague thing with no actual laws you can really define
yes yup

So, through the way that humans act we seemingly go against what would otherwise appear to be a "law of nature"
However actually using those words sounds ridiculous and fatuous - remember that, kids!

Wouldn't the law of nature be that you have to eat to survive?
Or like you have to breath air?
or we could use better wording and not have to worry about what everyone is trying to say all the goddamn time


Anyway, back to the questions; it seems that what some are trying to ask is "what if humans were dumb like apes" or somesuch

well if humans were dumb like apes then I don't loving know thanks for coming

The "ideal" number depends on how much food is produced, and since we currently produce enough, it's actually not yet a problem.  The only reason there are starving people is due to the nations technology versus the technology of places with food production systems.
It also depends on how many people we can sustain in a comfortable life as most of us have.