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Support right to bear arms

yes
129 (62.6%)
no
24 (11.7%)
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Author Topic: Do you support the second amendment?  (Read 17257 times)

i love how everyone ignored Wedge's post

Because he supports stricter gun control which makes him a handicap.

Because he supports stricter gun control which makes him a handicap.
wowe a woman questioning wedges posts how silly


This makes perfect sense to me.
I'm serious.
well i hope you're serious, it's the one of the few logical posts in the thread

Libertarism is more of a moderate thing. Communism is far left wing, Facism is far right wing. Also anarchy and socialism are on the left wing.

The left-right spectrum isn't particularly good for defining anything. Exactly where is anarcho-primitivism supposed to fit on the spectrum? And exactly what makes something "left-wing" or "right-wing" is rather difficult to pin down as well. After all, the Jacobins were considered leftists two hundred years ago, but classical liberals are considered to be right-wing in modern times.

Which brings me to my second point; Libertarianism is not a moderate thing. Any ideology that calls for the elimination of government, or at least the influence of government in one's life, isn't particularly moderate. Secondly, it isn't centrist either, if that's what you actually meant by that statement. Libertarianism can be conservative, as in the case of Grover Norquist, or it can be something like Libertarian Socialism (notably, also known as social anarchism), an ideology to which Noam Chomsky adheres.

Ein Beitrag, der von der amerikanischen Verfassung handelt.

Going off on a tangent, the policy of the Supreme Court has been, for about two hundred and forty years to interpret the Second Amendment exactly as it was written; that people were allowed to own guns while connected to a militia. It was only in 2008 that the Supreme Court ruled (and, if I might interject my opinion here, erroneously, considering the language of the law) that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to bear arms even when unconnected to a militia.

Regardless of whether one supports or does not support gun control, it's clearly evident by the wording of the amendment that only the right to bear arms in regards to service in a citizen's militia is protected. If the Framers of the Constitution wanted to protect one's right to defend themselves with weapons, they would have put it in the Second Amendment, as the writers of the Pennsylvania Declaration of Rights did (see Article 13). The Framers would be more than aware of this, and would have included it if they meant that.
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Why's the second admendment in german?
Or is that just me?

That's not the second amendment. That was me describing everything in Wedge's post. There wasn't a specific line that I wanted to quote, so I wrote "A comment that deals with the American Constitution" instead. I was just feeling particularly bilingual at that moment.

is your avatar a real pipe

If you read the avatar carefully, it clearly says that it's not a pipe.

But that has absolutely nothing to do with the Second Amendment.

I'm interested in buying a rifle to go target shooting, it seems like a really fun hobby. But mean the system could be a lot better to keep guns out of the hands of people that shouldn't own them.

Libertarism is more of a moderate thing. Communism is far left wing, Facism is far right wing. Also anarchy and socialism are on the left wing.
Communism is communist, Fascism is Fascism, they're not American political parties.

Communism is communist, Fascism is Fascism, they're not American political parties.

right and left don't describe political parties only. Also political ideas can be described as left or right.

notice how republicans are the right ones :cookieMonster:

Communism is communist, Fascism is Fascism, they're not American political parties.

i hope you're not planning on majoring in political science

i hope you're not planning on majoring in political science
i don't major in political science. i'm sorry, but i am still a tiny bit cloudy a--

right and left don't describe political parties only. Also political ideas can be described as left or right.
ahh, okay.

the best way to try and fit libertarians on the spectrum is to say they're so far right they're left lolol