Abortions? Yay or Nay?

[SeventhSandwich]

Gee, sorry for reminding you that you had smarter parents that didn't kill you.
You are all saying "but adoption ruins our childhood" well, you wouldn't be saying that if you had the option.

This has to be the stupidest loving argument I've ever heard out of a pro-life supporter. Trying to persuade people who are pro-choice to ban abortion by arguing: "You wouldn't like it if you were aborted" makes absolutely no loving sense. It's brown townogous to saying: "How would you feel if you weren't able to feel anything?". Obviously I wouldn't care.

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[rockslide26]

I've been attempting to maintain my composure here, but "smarter" is a relative term. Statistically speaking, in a study performed by a scientist by the name of Joel Cohen in 1971, titled, "Legal abortions, socioeconomic status, and measured intelligence in the United States," couples who opted for a legal abortion had a higher average IQ than couples who chose otherwise.

I don't want to lecture or scold you, and you can have whatever views you choose, but you must be able to back them up somehow, either through personal experience or a rational argument with statistics to show why adoption is marginally better for both the parents and child of such a scenario a reasonable percentage of the time.

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[joe411]

This has to be the stupidest loving argument I've ever heard out of a pro-life supporter. Trying to persuade people who are pro-choice to ban abortion by arguing: "You wouldn't like it if you were aborted" makes absolutely no loving sense. It's brown townogous to saying: "How would you feel if you weren't able to feel anything?". Obviously I wouldn't care.

So you don't care about killed fetuses?

[rockslide26]

So you don't care about killed fetuses?

Sometimes it's the best thing to do, people who undergo abortions don't do it because they're murderous with a lust for unborn blood.

[joe411]

Sometimes it's the best thing to do, people who undergo abortions don't do it because they're murderous with a lust for unborn blood.

Yeah, they do it because they don't give a stuff about the baby, they only care about themselves.

[SeventhSandwich]

So you don't care about killed fetuses?

Of course not. They're just unconscious, undeveloped precursors to children. They lack all of the traits and neurological characteristics unique to humans and should be treated as insignificant as any other stage of prenatal development.

Furthermore, even if I did care, my own personal beliefs shouldn't be grounds for depriving half of the population of civil rights. Before the mother gives birth, the embryo or fetus is a part of her body. It makes no sense to deprive women of the right to control their own body when we live in a country where religious beliefs aren't supposed to be reflected in our legislature.

[joe411]

Of course not. They're just unconscious, undeveloped precursors to children. They lack all of the traits and neurological characteristics unique to humans and should be treated as insignificant as any other stage of prenatal development.

Furthermore, even if I did care, my own personal beliefs shouldn't be grounds for depriving half of the population of civil rights. Before the mother gives birth, the embryo or fetus is a part of her body. It makes no sense to deprive women of the right to control their own body when we live in a country where religious beliefs aren't supposed to be reflected in our legislature.

Yeah, and you would pretty much deprive them the chance of becoming somthing else.

[Doomonkey]

So you don't care about killed fetuses?

Stop acting like you have more heart than the people who don't agree with you. People die every second and I can't imagine all of those deaths are unpreventable. You don't seem to be affected enough to cause arguments about them, though.

[SeventhSandwich]

Yeah, and you would pretty much deprive them the chance of becoming somthing else.

What else can a fetus develop into besides a child or a dead fetus?
Edit: I think I see what you're saying. The issue here is that you're making moral decisions based on teleological arguments. You're saying that it's okay to give civil rights to things that aren't humans because they'll become humans. The issue with this is that there's really no dichotomy between 'to-be humans' and 'non-humans' under this logic. You could say any food item deserves civil rights because when a mother eats it, the fetus receives nutrients through the placenta that later become part of its body. The fetus wouldn't become a huamn without food, just like a human wouldn't develop without being a fetus.

So should we treat wasting food like murder?

[rockslide26]

Yeah, they do it because they don't give a stuff about the baby, they only care about themselves.

So giving away the baby to anybody with a clean criminal record and no history of significant mental illness is a good idea? I live with alcoholism and schizophrenia from my biological father, and those two things alone are more than enough to bring me pain each day, and now my children are going to potentially deal with both as well. It feels like stuff, and that's only the very highest tip of the iceberg, there's so many more problems that have come for me directly as a result of the adoption mentality.

[joe411]

What else can a fetus develop into besides a child or a dead fetus?

Nothing. I didn't mean an alien or somthing, sorry for putting slightly confusing.

[SeventhSandwich]

Nothing. I didn't mean an alien or somthing, sorry for putting slightly confusing.

Edit: I think I see what you're saying. The issue here is that you're making moral decisions based on teleological arguments. You're saying that it's okay to give civil rights to things that aren't humans because they'll become humans. The issue with this is that there's really no dichotomy between 'to-be humans' and 'non-humans' under this logic. You could say any food item deserves civil rights because when a mother eats it, the fetus receives nutrients through the placenta that later become part of its body. The fetus wouldn't become a huamn without food, just like a human wouldn't develop without being a fetus.

So should we treat wasting food like murder?

[joe411]

Stop acting like you have more heart than the people who don't agree with you. People die every second and I can't imagine all of those deaths are unpreventable. You don't seem to be affected enough to cause arguments about them, though.

Abortions ARE preventable, and banning them could lower the death count.

[Menen]

Abortions ARE preventable, and banning them could lower the death count.

You make it sound like some sort of disease.

[joe411]

Abortions guarentee that a fetus won't delvoulp, but wasting some food doesn't. You can waste food and still give birth.