Author Topic: I'm grounded to "prevent myself from getting bad grades"  (Read 11677 times)

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was a joke, hence the space before the !

They're not destructing anything?

If you can no longer handle a privilege, you deserve to have it taken away until it is deemed that you can handle it again. His parents are doing the exact right thing in terms of punishment for "bad" behavior. Yet the second part would be to make sure he understands what is going on, which obviously has not been done.
Destruction means removing something. So yeah, they're destructing his access to the computer. And no, I disagree. I think you have to learn to use that privilege in moderation. Taking away a privilege doesn't teach you to use it in moderation, it teaches you to not get caught abusing that privilege.

I still don't agree that taking away his computer is the right thing to do. Obviously he thinks this is wrong, meaning there's a fundamental flaw in the plan.
This is pretty much an expected response from all kids who receive some form of punishment, and it goes for all addictions. If you try to take heroine away from a heroine addict, of course he's going to be upset.

You're assuming that once he regains access to his computer he won't go back to doing what he was doing before. If you're right, and he is addicted to video games, the second he gets his computer back he's going to pop open a video game and start playing it. Maybe out of fear that he'll lose his computer again he'll keep up on his schoolwork, but still indulge in computer use as often as possible.
I was completely addicted to computer games when I was younger and I completely agree with you here. My parents sent me to an outdoor camp for 2 weeks to try and spark a new hobby in me. They sent me to bootcamp for two years and that didn't solve the problem either.

The real answer is that there's no real solution to this problem. His parents could probably lecture him for hours on why he should be more invested in his school work and judging by the fact that his grades are bad, he obviously doesn't care very much. At the end of the day, while the computer restriction did no wonders for my moral or my addiction, it forced me to do schoolwork. I probably would've done really stuffty or even failed if my parents hadn't intervened, and I thank them for that.



When his parents aren't around to see him not doing his homework, he'll only play computer games and when he goes to college he'll flunk out because his parents can't take away his computer there. His parents need to show him that a balanced life is the way to succeed, and they need to teach him how to balance his life. Teach via construction, not destruction.
If Trogtor didn't give a stuff by college I'd be surprised. When I hit highschool I was hit pretty hard by reality that if I kept up this stuff I'd be in for plenty of trouble down the road. Now I can agree that it was eventually me who made that decision, but if it weren't for my parents, I wouldn't of even made it to highschool.

Sometimes we just need a push in the right direction. Trogtor obviously can't be trusted to lead his own balanced life, and while I can agree that a complete choke on entertainment is probably a little extreme, it may be necessary to make sure that Trogtor is going to continue a balanced life in the future. As far as I can tell, if his parents don't intervene, the problem may never get fixed.

As far as teaching by construction, well, sometimes we need to destruct a few abandoned warehouses to construct a skyscraper. They're just restricting his access so he can have healthy access later on in life when he has no railing to hold onto.

im stealing bubba anyway

not worth it at all


As far as teaching by construction, well, sometimes we need to destruct a few abandoned warehouses to construct a skyscraper. They're just restricting his access so he can have healthy access later on in life when he has no railing to hold onto.
I like your brown townogy. While I can see your point and even slightly agree, I still think that in principal forcing anyone to do something they don't want to is morally wrong. If you're destructing a few warehouses owned by people who don't want to get rid of them to build a skyscraper, I still think it's wrong to just bulldoze their place, even with just compensation as per law. Now, if you made a deal with them where you gave them a ton of money for relocating their warehouse (in this case this would be giving some incentive to do well in school) and they accept on those terms then go ahead and bulldoze down those warehouses. There's always a positive way to do something, and I think doing it in the positive way would be better.

Most kids don't really want to go to school either, most kids don't want to live at home. By your standard, it'd be morally wrong to send our children to school, it'd also be morally wrong to send rapists to prison.

While I can agree that those are extreme examples, it still applies. I'm %99 certain that Trogtor's parents have tried to instill an incentive to do well in school, but he's chosen the fun games over his boring education. At the end of the day, the adults know better for us. As much as I hate the education system, I know it's necessary.

Sure, maybe Trogtor's parents could approach it with a more rewarding approach. Maybe $50 for every A on his report card would give him incentive to get better grades if he can't see that the A itself is worth it. The only problem with that is that Trogtor might not actually think the $50 is worth busting his ass over for 9 weeks and then just play video games all highschool and get F's because it's really easy and fun. Besides, there's other variables that come into play here, such as the economic well being of his parents. They may not be able to afford $350 every report card that gets straight A's.

It all boils down to maturity. If Trogtor can't help himself, then why waste time throwing him the rope? He might not want to climb it. Maybe he wants to die in the rising lava. Wouldn't you rather just grab him and pull him up, rather than wait for him to get severely burned before he starts climbing the rope?

No, not really. It was kind of high-level, sorry if it flew over your head. What I did was extrapolate his key points to a similar controversial topic on control. I did so to show that his points and beliefs will falter based on situation, and that lines are not as clear cut as he thinks. Bringing someones argument to an extreme is often a good way to crack their argument, when their beliefs become wavy and contradictory it's easier to defeat their argument.
that's cute, but the brown townogy didn't fly over my head, it just makes you look like a paranoid handicap.


I think it's perfectly reasonable for his parents to take away his computer if there is an obvious link between it and his poor grades.

If they treat it as a privilege then they have every right to take it away.

Most kids don't really want to go to school either, most kids don't want to live at home. By your standard, it'd be morally wrong to send our children to school, it'd also be morally wrong to send rapists to prison.
Okay, maybe I made too general of a comment with that. Obviously sending people who are offenders of laws agreed upon by society to jail is righteous, but only because they did something that's morally wrong. I actually have a funny view at school, too: if you don't want to go, don't. For young kids they're legally required to, which means not doing so would be the wrong thing to do. This isn't a might -> right thing, it's just that we've agreed that kids should be in school until at least highschool, and at that point they can make the decision for themselves. If they want to drop-out, while that would be an awful thing for a parent to experience I don't believe it is their choice for whether or not they attend.

While I can agree that those are extreme examples, it still applies. I'm %99 certain that Trogtor's parents have tried to instill an incentive to do well in school, but he's chosen the fun games over his boring education. At the end of the day, the adults know better for us. As much as I hate the education system, I know it's necessary.
I love education, so I can't relate. I don't particularly like the system, but there's no simple way to do it. However, my point still sticks. Forcing people to do something will be an excellent short-term solution (the most effective around), but it is actually detrimental in the long run. Kids who are deprived of things they want as children use them in excess as adults, often developing fixations on them that are damaging to their life. While there will be situations where a short-term fix is absolutely required (like if your kid is trying to kill you, take away the knife) I don't believe it's a good strategy to employ in general parenting (i.e. your child struggling with school).

Sure, maybe Trogtor's parents could approach it with a more rewarding approach. Maybe $50 for every A on his report card would give him incentive to get better grades if he can't see that the A itself is worth it. The only problem with that is that Trogtor might not actually think the $50 is worth busting his ass over for 9 weeks and then just play video games all highschool and get F's because it's really easy and fun. Besides, there's other variables that come into play here, such as the economic well being of his parents. They may not be able to afford $350 every report card that gets straight A's.
I wasn't really referring to money as the incentive, even though it seemed so with the brown townogy. I'm all about teaching kids stuff that will come back to them and help them in the future, and "if I do this I'll get $50 from dad" doesn't really stick along for very long. What Harm said earlier is entirely correct. You have to instill the right values in the child as a small child, then release restriction as they age. My views on parenting said thus-far are for older kids that can think for themselves. As young children, kids require restriction to guide them through life. Without it, it would be like trying to guide a blind person through a maze. Once they can see for themselves though, giving them directional hints is the best way for them to beat the maze though.

It all boils down to maturity. If Trogtor can't help himself, then why waste time throwing him the rope? He might not want to climb it. Maybe he wants to die in the rising lava. Wouldn't you rather just grab him and pull him up, rather than wait for him to get severely burned before he starts climbing the rope?
That's the issue. The temptation to use the quick-fix is overwhelming for most people. You'd rather just do it yourself, make something happen, than set up a situation where it'll happen on its own, naturally. If the kid is aware that the lava will burn him and still won't come up, letting him get burned will teach him. Maybe he'll have a stuffty semester in school. That'll suck, and it'll be a blemish on his record when applying to colleges. When he realizes that he can't get into the college of his dreams because he slacked off and made a bad decision, it'll make him a better person. Sure, if you'd forced him to do the schoolwork that whole time he would have gotten into the college he really wanted to. But then what if he starts to fail in that college because he doesn't have his parents to support him? Maybe he'll even get kicked out. At some point he's going to have to experience the pain of failure to learn that he needs to put effort into such things. Maybe it won't even happen in college. Maybe he'll get fired from the job he got, experience the pain of unemployment, and realize that he needs to really work on these things.

Trying to fight off an internet argument. I'm out for the night

Internet arguments in a nutshell: Both groups want to be right in the and pick and pull to try and win. In the end this thread will die and no one will remember it.

I don't know about other people, but when I was a freshman I transferred into a really hard magnet school and my grades dropped down to F's. I gave up video games except on weekends and boom. All A's. Some people have a stronger will than me, so they might be able to manage the two; however I and many other cannot so if your grades are failing at least try giving up video games.

(I haven't read the rest of the thread so sorry if I repeated something)

No, it's simple. Use the computer anyway. What the forgets he gonna do about it? Take it away? Go get it back. Break your stuff? Use his. He locks his computer? Reset bios and use a windows recovery disk to reclaim ownership. Set restrictions on the TV? Open it up when he's not home and reset it. Seriously, he'll struggle for maybe a few weeks before giving in. Persistence overcomes all. And before one of you come up with some "he'll beat your ass" excuse, you're a teenager climbing the hill to your physiological peak and he's over the hill and on the physiological decline. If my dad for some reason he wanted to beat the stuff out of me, I'd throw him down the stairs and tell him that if he ever touches me again I'll murder him. If they throw you out, sue them for neglect, child abuse, and emancipation. Then you get all the awesome benefits of being an adult without actually being an adult. It's a win-win. Plus, you can even show your parents the forget up when you proceed to disobey their every command and still do well in school. Show them that you're better than their parenting.

You sound like the biggest tool, spoiled rotten child that i've ever seen on these forums.

You sound like the biggest tool, spoiled rotten child that i've ever seen on these forums.
I'm pretty sure he is the one
also tool isn't an adjective js