LGBTQA megathread- the stuffstorm has passed and a rainbow protrudes the clouds.

[Frankie²]

haha guys remember the last time business owners were allowed to discriminate??
oh...yeah...

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[DrenDran]

Nobody should have to fear for their job, and by extension, their famiy's well-being, because they could be fired at any moment simply for having a trait they can't help having.
Let's look at it logically
1. People are harmed by discrimination.
2. People are not harmed by a lack of discrimination
Therefore, the most ethical decision to prevent the most people from being harmed is to not allow discrimination

So an owner of a business has no control how that business is run?

It's not any own business owner's job to put food on your table, if they were going to fire you, they wouldn't have hired you in the first place. If you do good enough work no one will give a stuff if you're gay or whatever else.

[Frankie²]

It's not any own business owner's job to put food on your table, if they were going to fire you, they wouldn't have hired you in the first place. If you do good enough work no one will give a stuff if you're gay or whatever else.

i think you're underestimating what a business owner will hire/fire for

[ShadowsfeaR]

So an owner of a business has no control how that business is run?

It's not any own business owner's job to put food on your table, if they were going to fire you, they wouldn't have hired you in the first place. If you do good enough work no one will give a stuff if you're gay or whatever else.

How can a person show what worth they are to the job if they can't get the loving job because they're gay in the first place? Literally this is the whole point were making.

[DrenDran]

i think you're underestimating what a business owner will hire/fire for

Obviously such standards will vary from place to place, but generally if someone is making a company a lot of money, they will be kept, if they're not, they're first on the chopping block.

Business owners that do not follow this idea are at an economic disadvantage, as they are literally throwing away money for irrational beliefs. The free market does not favor discrimination.

[Harm94]

So an owner of a business has no control how that business is run?

It's not any own business owner's job to put food on your table, if they were going to fire you, they wouldn't have hired you in the first place. If you do good enough work no one will give a stuff if you're gay or whatever else.

^
If I was a Jewish store owner I wouldn't want a neo-national socialist working for me. If I was black I wouldn't want some from the kool kids klub working for me.

Also I am not a full white and I don't want people to know that.

[Headcrab Zombie]

if they were going to fire you, they wouldn't have hired you in the first place.

Nobody at their interview goes "hi im gay will you still hire me?"
They keep it a secret, and then later get outed. This is what they fear, the consequences following if someone finds out and tells others.
Or maybe a very accepting manager was replaced by a very bigoted one

If you do good enough work no one will give a stuff if you're gay or whatever else.

Please tell me, exactly how far disconnected from reality are you?
There are people bigoted enough to disown their own children because of their loveuality
Firing some relatively random person would be no problem

If I was a Jewish store owner I wouldn't want a neo-national socialist working for me. If I was black I wouldn't want some from the kool kids klub working for me.

Are you honestly comparing loveuality (which can't be chosen) to a loving hate group (which people choose to participate in)? Why do you think this is a valid comparison?
If an employee is actually a neo-national socialist or kool kids klub member and are committing discriminatory acts, then you do have a right to fire them

[Placid]

Obviously such standards will vary from place to place, but generally if someone is making a company a lot of money, they will be kept, if they're not, they're first on the chopping block.

Business owners that do not follow this idea are at an economic disadvantage, as they are literally throwing away money for irrational beliefs. The free market does not favor discrimination.

if they don't support who you are who's to say they'd hire you in the first place and know that you are giving them a lot of money

[Frankie²]

Obviously such standards will vary from place to place, but generally if someone is making a company a lot of money, they will be kept, if they're not, they're first on the chopping block.

Business owners that do not follow this idea are at an economic disadvantage, as they are literally throwing away money for irrational beliefs. The free market does not favor discrimination.

the free market favors competition, too!! just look at our internet speeds!!
again, i really think you're underestimating what a business owner will hire/fire for

[ShadowsfeaR]

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If I was a Jewish store owner I wouldn't want a neo-national socialist working for me. If I was black I wouldn't want some from the kool kids klub working for me.

Also I am not a full white and I don't want people to know that.

HOW THE forget DOES THAT CORRELATE TO SOMEONE WHO'S GAY WORKING FOR AN ESTABLISHMENT. OH MY GOD. You act like gay people are just gonna cause a WHOLE lotta trouble. They just want to mongle EVERYONES richard, YEAH!

[DrenDran]

^
If I was a Jewish store owner I wouldn't want a neo-national socialist working for me. If I was black I wouldn't want some from the kool kids klub working for me.

Also I am not a full white and I don't want people to know that.

There are actually some places where you can't discriminate based on political affiliation/activities.

[DrenDran]

Nobody at their interview goes "hi im gay will you still hire me?"
They keep it a secret, and then later get outed. This is what they fear, the consequences following if someone finds out and tells others.
Or maybe a very accepting manager was replaced by a very bigoted one

They'd be hurting their bussniess doing so. If they really care that much about their beliefs then maybe it's best not to work for that person anyway. As previously said, they don't have an obligation to provide you with a job.

Please tell me, exactly how far disconnected from reality are you?
There are people bigoted enough to disown their own children because of their loveuality

That sure sucks for them.
Not my problem and it shouldn't the a business owners problem either.

Firing some relatively random person would be no problem

Are you being serious?

Are you honestly comparing loveuality (which can't be chosen) to a loving hate group? Why do you think this is a valid comparison?
If an employee is actually a neo-national socialist or kool kids klub member and are committing discriminatory acts, then you do have a right to fire them

There are actually some places where you can't discriminate based on political affiliation/activities.

the free market favors competition, too!! just look at our internet speeds!!
again, i really think you're underestimating what a business owner will hire/fire for

I'm sorry you got laid off from McDonald's lol







Bottom line is that irrational discrimination hurts everyone involved and therefore will be weeded out eventually on its own. No need to get the government involved.

[Chrono]

Yeah I'm not sure if Dren knows how our society operates and if it's a problem or not.

[DrenDran]

Yeah I'm not sure if Dren knows how our society operates and if it's a problem or not.

Maybe it's cause I don't live deep in the south but I don't know a whole lot of people who hate gays so much that they'd be willing to waste potential money just to get rid of one.

[Harm94]

HOW THE forget DOES THAT CORRELATE TO SOMEONE WHO'S GAY WORKING FOR AN ESTABLISHMENT. OH MY GOD. You act like gay people are just gonna cause a WHOLE lotta trouble. They just want to mongle EVERYONES richard, YEAH!

I don't think gays are problem, where did I say that? It correlates to the subject of minorities and store owner rights.

You remind me of myself. When I get angry because I feel like people don't understand me, I will just block everything out and start doing things like jumping to conclusions, assuming things, putting words into people's mouth, misinterpreting posts.

If an employee is actually a neo-national socialist or kool kids klub member and are committing discriminatory acts, then you do have a right to fire them

Because if gays can get protection, the right-wing extremists will argue for protection too and look at this:

There are actually some places where you can't discriminate based on political affiliation/activities.