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Author Topic: StarMade - On the long road to Beta!  (Read 104296 times)

god damn guys lighten up

it's just a 3d spaceman simulator



Comr4de, we can argue this back and forth all day, but at the end of the day my ultimate problem here is that you, Incap and TwoNiner are deliberately trying to control and suppress information that SCHINE deserves to have. They made the game goddamn it. You don't have the right to hide overpowered and unintended mechanics from game developers just for the sake of your faction's superiority. That's what this whole deal is about.

You know that this logic jumpdrive's potentials make it unbalanced. Do you really think SCHINE ever intended for people to be able to automatically charge AND activate a theoretically infinite number of jumpdrives at the same time, when the jumpdrive computer was designed to be manually charged, one at a time? The whole "but you can interdict" thing is bullstuff because as others have testified on SMD, it's possible to "overclock" the jumpdrive so that it charges faster than you can charge it manually. Even if interdiction did work, that'd only solve part of the problem, as jumpgates would still be totally obsolete, as well as putting anyone who doesn't possess your knowledge of fast long-distance travel at an incredible disadvantage.

You know it's a powerful advantage, and that it upsets your faction's balance of power if others know about it or it gets re-balanced, which is why you and Incap have both fussed and whined about me sharing it with the public and with SCHINE so much. I can't blame you for wanting to have advantages, but you're going about it in a very wrong way. You refuse to acknowledge that blindsiding SCHINE about this is wrong. That is why I think you don't deserve to be on the Council and just one of many reasons why I refuse to be friends with someone like you.
« Last Edit: September 29, 2015, 11:53:24 PM by Planr »

You don't have the right to hide overpowered and unintended mechanics from game developers just for the sake of your faction's superiority.

I wonder how the Japanese felt about this topic in the forties



It's a picky subject

IMO if they're the only guys finding this out I think it's SCHINE's fault that they don't have active groups looking for bugs/exploits

if they do; I guess they're really bad at finding exploits that only com and his gang are finding

It's a picky subject

IMO if they're the only guys finding this out I think it's SCHINE's fault that they don't have active groups looking for bugs/exploits

if they do; I guess they're really bad at finding exploits that only com and his gang are finding
SCHINE relies almost exclusively on other people not on their staff sending in bug reports, and not many people except for mostly community veterans even know where the tracker is. Even then, they only have a skeleton crew of active testers, like only 3 or 4 guys. The tester shortage is so bad that a month or two ago they made a big announcement trying to recruit some more testers, but it doesn't seem to have gotten many new people from what I have seen. I don't know the intricate details of the tester's daily routines but I imagine they probably don't do much normal gameplay due to their dedication to testing and confirming other people's bugs they send in. So I think the chances of them finding these kinds of things is somewhat low compared to regular starmade players.

Even if they did have the people, there is only so much stuff they can process at a time. Some things are chosen to take more priority over others.
« Last Edit: September 29, 2015, 11:57:56 PM by Planr »

Holy Christ, I've been gone for a couple of days and the thread looks like Dresden.

SCHINE relies almost exclusively on other people not on their staff sending in bug reports, and not many people except for mostly community veterans even know where the tracker is. Even then, they only have a skeleton crew of active testers, like only 3 or 4 guys. The tester shortage is so bad that a month or two ago they made a big announcement trying to recruit some more testers, but it doesn't seem to have gotten many new people from what I have seen. I don't know the intricate details of the tester's daily routines but I imagine they probably don't do much normal gameplay due to their dedication to testing and confirming other people's bugs they send in. So I think the chances of them finding these kinds of things is somewhat low compared to regular starmade players.

Even if they did have the people, there is only so much stuff they can process at a time. Some things take more priority over others.


It would seem the injustices you perceive take priority above all else.

I don't know the order which to address this things in.

From Comr4de's anecdotes, it appears, that communication between the Schine team and the community is absolutely terrible. This is apparent in the player's council, the bridge between the community and Schine, where the latter can't or won't work with the former.

From an immediate brown townysis of the claim that the Bug Tracker is hidden, it seems immediately obvious there there is an issue all around. Schine probably couldn't deal with having a very visible tracker, being so short-handed, and having to probably deal with metric assloads of poorly written and repetitive big submissions. The way it is now, the tracker may as well not be publics lily available, is only used by an Old Guard who probably have had enough of Schine's stuff, or are the same ELIEETISTS cranking out cool stuff. Either way, the game is crippled with bugs, and exploity stuff doesn't matter when the game is arguably unplayable on the scale it's supposed to be played on/is aiming for. Either way, Schine can't or won't listen. Who knows.

The active testers's dilemma could be a nonissue if schine assisted in screening themselves, or didn't put buggy stuff in without throughly testing their own projects. It also does no justice that the very demographic of people needed are of the Old Guard caliber. However, it seems that the interest of this demographic has been throughly diluted by Schine's inability to listen. It doesn't help when schine's product quality likely fails to capture the interest of newcomers, thus failing to add to and fill an experienced demographic.

Did we mention the testers or Schine can't/won't test things throughly enough to make sure they aren't loving broken like shipyards?

Somewhere there is a problem, culturally or mechanically.

What strikes me as being odd is that you took something which was an exploit, imbalance, or otherwise legitimate game feature, and used your personal connections to remedy this injustice, true or perceived, in a sort of Don Quixote, holier-than-thou, delusional fashion, while sitting atop the moral high ground as the pope and spiritual liege to the video game world, sipping at the Blood of Christ and eating all the Eucharist wafers.

The line of thinking strikes me as odd. Any advantage an injustice, injustices a crime of grevious bodily harm, and all harm must be remedied. The basis of competition is destroyed by this sort of thinking. It stifles the creativity in the game, it stifiles the competition, the fun, one might argue. If it were truly a problem, then the community would have complained about it, not just the Pontifex of bugs and true justice.

Either way, broke ass game, broke ass community, broke ass developers. An unholy trinity of stuff gone wrong. The only winning move right now is not to play. Maybe something will change within the community. 7/10 game though, might be fun if our trifecta axis of evil gets undone.
« Last Edit: September 29, 2015, 11:55:33 PM by Mr. Hurricane »

how many times comro
how many times over the course of the six year friendship we've shared have i told you that planr is bad juju
you could have prevented this, cut it off at the head literally years ago but nooo you thought you could tame the beast and now it has taken a stuff in your car
the upholstery is ruined comro, you're never getting the stank of ruined fun out of it now

great, now i have to read 'comr4de' as 'camaro'

What strikes me as being odd is that you took something which was an exploit, imbalance, or otherwise legitimate game feature, and used your personal connections to remedy this injustice, true or perceived, in a sort of Don Quixote, holier-than-thou, delusional fashion, while sitting atop the moral high ground as the pope and spiritual liege to the video game world, sipping at the Blood of Christ and eating all the Eucharist wafers.
If I am understanding what you're saying correctly, you're saying that I am taking advantage of the existence of these unbalanced game features and the circumstances surrounding them to try and elevate myself to a status as some sort of do-good saint? That's been part of Comr4de's argument and it's completely fallacious.

Here's the reality of the situation: There is something horribly unbalanced in this game, and a group of players all within one faction are trying to solely hold it - and possibly other abusive/OP things - secret, from everyone else, including the game developers, so that they are able to further boost their own faction's power. They don't care that these things need balancing or are exploitable. They just want to win.

Either way, broke ass game, broke ass community, broke ass developers. An unholy trinity of stuff gone wrong. The only winning move right now is not to play. Maybe something will change within the community. 7/10 game though, might be fun if our trifecta axis of evil gets undone.
Exactly. The game's still undeveloped as stuff, everything is shiny yet doesn't perform well, and the community's got concentrated groups of bad apples. Right now I just can't play it. It's an awful situation.
« Last Edit: September 30, 2015, 12:37:44 AM by Planr »

If I am understanding what you're saying correctly, you're saying that I am taking advantage of the existence of these unbalanced game features and the circumstances surrounding them to try and elevate myself to a status as some sort of do-good saint? That's been part of Comr4de's argument and it's completely fallacious.

Here's the reality of the situation: There is something horribly unbalanced in this game, and a group of players all within one faction are trying to solely hold it - and possibly other abusive/OP things - secret, from everyone else, including the game developers, so that they are able to further boost their own faction's power. They don't care that these things need balancing or are exploitable. They just want to win, and they don't want anyone else, even the developers, to stand in their way.



Exactly. The game's still undeveloped as stuff, everything is shiny yet doesn't perform well, the community and game development have been partially hijacked by corrupt groups from the faction politics scene (no names need be given, these people know who they are)

I feel that in the way you go about reporting things in the name of the moral good, that you are one way or another acting as if all of God's children can't be moral and they must have you to save them. That you must report any injustice to the highest authority whether or not the community believes it is a problem.

I could argue that you are one such person undermining the development, reporting anything you perceive as an injustice, via personal connections, directly to the head developer in unilateral fashion, without consulting the community to see whether or not they believe it is a problem. This essentially is the pursuit of your own ends, in what you may perceive as for the moral good of the game.


I feel that in the way you go about reporting things in the name of the moral good, that you are one way or another acting as if all of God's children can't be moral and they must have you to save them. That you must report any injustice to the highest authority whether or not the community believes it is a problem.

I could argue that you are one such person undermining the development, reporting anything you perceive as an injustice, via personal connections, directly to the head developer in unilateral fashion, without consulting the community to see whether or not they believe it is a problem. This essentially is the pursuit of your own ends, in what you may perceive as for the moral good of the game.
No one is reporting injustices here, and no one is doing this in the name of moral good. I'm doing what I am doing for the sake of game balance. Others here are interested in game balance and development, but only so long as it takes backseat to their faction's strength and success. That's a stuff-tier mentality no matter how you spin it.
« Last Edit: September 30, 2015, 01:57:55 AM by Planr »

I should probably go and buy this game,i was a player in the earliest parts of the alpha. And i am looking for a game like this one. The only difficulty i will have is that i suck at building things that look good unless i have a plan. This basically makes all my minecraft houses look good compared to everything else i make.

I should probably go and buy this game,i was a player in the earliest parts of the alpha. And i am looking for a game like this one. The only difficulty i will have is that i suck at building things that look good unless i have a plan. This basically makes all my minecraft houses look good compared to everything else i make.
i can kinda relate to having difficulty figuring out how i want a ship to go when im buikding it. these days what i do is intentionalky just slap down a crappy frame and tuen change it over and over until i get a shape i like. a process of starting out with a pile of crap and then refining it into a shiny spaceship has been easier for me than trying to just make a shiny spaceship right off the bat. maybe that could help you some.

just remember to be confident in what you build and not be discouraged if at first it doesnt look like what you want. cause you can always change it until you get it just right.
« Last Edit: September 30, 2015, 01:51:32 AM by Planr »

I'm doing what I am doing for the sake of game balance.
in short: not happening.

factions will pretty much always seek ways around the game's stuffty limitations, and there always will be some "overpowered ;-;" things that go around them.  if there was a completely level playing field (which i'm pretty sure is what you're actually shooting for), the game would stagnate like a motherforgeter causing spacefights to go on forever, and people to get tired of the game and leave faster than you can type out "game balance".

i understand that you have a Holy Mission™ to uphold, but it absolutely won't work out.

I should probably go and buy this game,i was a player in the earliest parts of the alpha. And i am looking for a game like this one. The only difficulty i will have is that i suck at building things that look good unless i have a plan. This basically makes all my minecraft houses look good compared to everything else i make.
generally if you want an actual ship instead of a default "if it flies, I sits" tin can, it'll help to draw it on paper or in a digital art program first, and then base your build off of that.

like this guy.

to be fair though even tiny inhibitor arrays can stop this

it's only really a utility feature. in the end what benefit would it truly have? It's the least gamebreaking bug I can think of

stuff, with some fiddling I'm sure some logic people could make some sik contraptions with it

reporting trivial bugs such as this only reinforces schine's fascist mind police state that dictates how the game is made.
stuff like this is what killed railguns, a fun as forget weapon thats now been nerfed into oblivion because cuckbiri can't stand anything being better than rapid cannon waffles.

I may still be salty.
« Last Edit: September 30, 2015, 10:42:36 AM by CypherX »