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From what my father told me, feel free to correct me if what I'm quoting is wrong, the term "days" is simply a mistranslation, and is intended to mean "a period of time"

im pretty sure that in the original texts its the same word "yom" used to refer to literal days in other contexts

From what my father told me, feel free to correct me if what I'm quoting is wrong, the term "days" is simply a mistranslation, and is intended to mean "a period of time"

God created the universe in about 7 "periods" from what he told me.
It's a case of personal interpretation. There's no point arguing over mistranslations, since ultimately the Bible has been translated thousands of times. It's a massive game of chinese whispers, and for some time of it's history it's not even been written down, just preserved orally.

The two main interpretations are those of Young Earth Creationists and Old Earth Creationists.

Young Earth Creationists come to the conclusion that the earth took 6 literal days, of 24 hours, to be created.
Also that the Earth is only 6000~ years old, and this is evidenced in the Bible by the ages of the Biblical Patriarchs, the first men, who lived for hundreds of years and even millennia. Add up all the ages between births in the Old Testament and the world is about 6000 years old, as first worked out by Archbishop James Ussher

Old Earth Creationists tend to find that the Bible is mostly metaphorical/allegory, and that it's not the precise word of truth, but is instead inspired by the teachings of God/Jesus, and to a lesser extent is inspired by the cultures of the societies who wrote it.
They believe that the Earth/Universe was indeed created in 6 'days', but these days do not exist of 24 hour periods.
Instead they stretch for hundreds of thousands, or millions, or billions of years. Each day isn't necessarily the same length as the others, but each are definitely longer than 24 hours.
To them the word 'days' can be better read as 'ages'. So, the world was created in 6 ages, which spanned billions of years.

The distinction between the two is often that the Young Earth Creationists tend to be fundamental christians/muslims/jews, and they believe that the precise word of the Bible/Quran/Torah is literal truth.
In a lot of countries, particularly the west (bar the USA) there are fewer fundamentalists, and instead most believers take their holy books not as divine law, but as an inspired book of events to teach through metaphor and allegory.

Here's an interesting (albeit not particularly unbiased) video documentary in which several British fundamentalists are taken on a roadtrip to challenge their fundamentalist views. It's not strictly an anti-religion programme, but it has a bit of that undertone. The intent was more to make people think of religious books as more like metaphor than written law.
Just note, some people in this video are proper richardheads (the host included at times).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oju_lpqa6Ug

I feel like something important that most people miss out on when trying to come up with a timeline is that Adam and Eve were essentially immortal while in the garden. I'm pretty sure there is no indication of how long they lived there.

Idk tho


This makes me kinda sick.
Sick about what in particular? The programme as a whole, or the people on the tour, or the host, or the people they meet?

Sick about what in particular? The programme as a whole, or the people on the tour, or the host, or the people they meet?
The people on the tour.

Sick about what in particular? The programme as a whole, or the people on the tour, or the host, or the people they meet?
What isn't there to be sick about
"HEY LETS TEST EVOLUTION BY PUSHING YOU OFF THE GRAND CANYON AND SEE IF YOU EVOLVE INTO A BIRD BEFORE YOU FALL"
loving people have literally ZERO knowledge of what evolution states and they're spewing stuff like SCIENTISTS ARE LYING
and that's not even 8 minutes in
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"HEY LETS TEST EVOLUTION BY PUSHING YOU OFF THE GRAND CANYON AND SEE IF YOU EVOLVE INTO A BIRD BEFORE YOU FALL"

wHHAT DID THAT RLY HAPPEN OMG

im not watchin that


the whole thing makes me sick. the people are awful, this guy seems to be trying to humiliate anyone who believes in their religion on national tv, he seems to think that these people who have religion ingrained so deep in their culture are going to so easily accept facts no matter how blatant they are...

it bothers me that this program was even made in the first place.

I hope not.
the creationists were making fun of the fact that evolution could have even happened by saying that if they pushed their tour guide off the ledge, he should be able to evolve fast enough to survive and grow wings in midair.

the creationists were making fun of the fact that evolution could have even happened by saying that if they pushed their tour guide off the ledge, he should be able to evolve fast enough to survive and grow wings in midair.
If he weren't an idiot, he would have responded with: "Only if I can push you off to test if your god will save you."

I hope not.
They didn't actually push anyone off, but they said literally what I typed because that's what their (entirely lacking) understanding of evolution is and they think that's how it works

the whole thing makes me sick. the people are awful, this guy seems to be trying to humiliate anyone who believes in their religion on national tv, he seems to think that these people who have religion ingrained so deep in their culture are going to so easily accept facts no matter how blatant they are...

it bothers me that this program was even made in the first place.
It's not like their going up to random people on the street and challenging them, the people voluntarily joined the road trip,and I'm assuming they knew what would be happening on it, if they were tricked that yeah that's bad, but I don't see anything that would lead me to believe that
« Last Edit: July 09, 2014, 02:51:20 PM by Headcrab Zombie »

What isn't there to be sick about
"HEY LETS TEST EVOLUTION BY PUSHING YOU OFF THE GRAND CANYON AND SEE IF YOU EVOLVE INTO A BIRD BEFORE YOU FALL"
loving people have literally ZERO knowledge of what evolution states and they're spewing stuff like SCIENTISTS ARE LYING
and that's not even 8 minutes in
I wasn't expecting anyone to not be pissed off by the guests, because they are exceedingly arrogant and naive (particularly the Irish fellow and the girl with dark hair).
But I understand being sickened by the programme too, since it's entire design is to set these people with naive conspiracies out to fail and look stupid. Not that these people aren't deserving of being shamed, but the programme is designed just to shame them.

But yeah, the guests are mostly complete richardheads. They're a bit of an oddity for their view in the UK, since fundamentalists aren't so common, so I don't know if they were cherrypicked for being the most bizarre and arsehole-ish of the lot, or if fundamental believers are generally as arrogant, ignorant and naive as that.

If you like the programme though, since sometimes it's entertaining to be enraged at people, then there are others;
Conspiracy Road Trip: UFOs
Conspiracy Road Trip: 7/7 bombings (This one I find to be the most disgusting that people have conspiracies about this sort of thing, alongside 9/11)
Conspiracy Road Trip: 9/11 (Playlist) (I've not seen this video yet, as I couldn't previously find the full playlist)

LOL 20 MINUTES IN
they find this chick who's against abortion and the girl asks her "would you look at a women who had an abortion and call her a murder" and right a way without hesitation she replies "I AM A MURDERER. I HAD TWO ABORTIONS BUT GOD HAS FORGIVEN ME"

LOL 20 MINUTES IN
they find this chick who's against abortion and the girl asks her "would you look at a women who had an abortion and call her a murder" and right a way without hesitation she replies "I AM A MURDERER. I HAD TWO ABORTIONS BUT GOD HAS FORGIVEN ME"
Yeah, the pro-lifers were pretty mental in this.

Wait until they get to the church and the Irish one starts a stuffstorm on account of acceptance of homoloveuality, because the hippy girl has a gay son.