Harsh Ban for Modifying Someone's Map for Pecon7's Boss Battles?

[Ipquarx]

That's totally unrelated. Completely irrelevant. Blockland is a game that is legally protectable and has strong copyrights enforced on it. A blockland save is something that is meant to be shared with everyone for free however they want, and they can claim they made someone else's build with legal impunity.

You said that the mere fact that it has been put on the internet and hosted publicly on an internet server means that it is free for anyone to use, edit, redistribute without credit, and claim as their own. By that logic, blockland, countless open source programs, etc etc etc are all free to be claimed by me. Now that I think about it, since the internet is hosted publicly on the internet, the entire internet is mine!

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[Planr]

You said that the mere fact that it has been put on the internet and hosted publicly on an internet server means that it is free for anyone to use, edit, redistribute without credit, and claim as their own.

...because it is a blockland save, and that's how Blockland saves are designed to be used.

[Ipquarx]

...because it is a blockland save, and that's how Blockland saves are designed to be used.

A blockland save is just a collection of bytes. It's under the same intellectual property rights that youtube videos, art, and programs are covered under. It's no different than any other digital media. The fact that it is a "blockland save" does not exclude it from any of the rules that govern the rest of the spectrum of internet media.

[Planr]

A blockland save is just a collection of bytes. It's under the same intellectual property rights that youtube videos, art, and programs are covered under. It's no different than any other digital media. The fact that it is a "blockland save" does not exclude it from any of the rules that govern the rest of the spectrum of internet media.

Too funny. I challenge you then to be the first one to copyright a build of yours and sue another Blockland user for using it on their server.

[Ipquarx]

Too funny. I challenge you then to be the first one to copyright a build of yours and sue another Blockland user for using it on their server.

Just because you won't be suing anyone because they claimed a build to be theirs when it's really yours doesn't invalidate my point.

[Planr]

Just because you won't be suing anyone because they claimed a build to be theirs when it's really yours doesn't invalidate my point.

What's your point anyway? At first you committed a logical fallacy by misrepresenting my argument for the sake of saying I committed a logical fallacy, then you switched to that you can sue someone for using a blockland save. Which is it?

Can you explain to me in detail how suing someone for using a blockland save would work? I'm interested to know.

[Ipquarx]

What's your point anyway? At first you committed a logical fallacy by misrepresenting my argument for the sake of saying I committed a logical fallacy, then you switched to that you can sue someone for using a blockland save. Which is it?

Can you explain to me in detail how suing someone for using a blockland save would work? I'm interested to know.

Stop claiming I said you could sue for it. Only a mentally unstable person would sue over a blockland save.

I mentioned intellectual property rights. These rights are automatically applied to any original piece of work you create. this includes blockland saves.

By claiming that a blockland save something else made is your own, you are infringing on their intellectual property rights. Will you sue anyone for it? Not unless you're mentally ill.

But if someone is, for example, hosting your save on their website and claiming they made it, or a youtube vidoe claiming they made the build you actually created yourself, you can file a DCMA takedown notice to the website or file a copyright claim with youtube and get it taken down. Plus it's just a richard thing to do to take someone elses work and claim it as your own.

My point is that build stealing is a real thing. It's not some "supr srs 4 realzies" issue, but it does exist.

[Dannu]

Planr, just stop arguing for the sake of arguing. You know as much as we do that there is a colossal difference between plagiarism and freedom of use.

[killer12568]

Stop claiming I said you could sue for it. Only a mentally unstable person would sue over a blockland save.

I mentioned intellectual property rights. These rights are automatically applied to any original piece of work you create. this includes blockland saves.

By claiming that a blockland save something else made is your own, you are infringing on their intellectual property rights. Will you sue anyone for it? Not unless you're mentally ill.

But if someone is, for example, hosting your save on their website and claiming they made it, or a youtube vidoe claiming they made the build you actually created yourself, you can file a DCMA takedown notice to the website or file a copyright claim with youtube and get it taken down. Plus it's just a richard thing to do to take someone elses work and claim it as your own.


My point is that build stealing is a real thing. It's not some "supr srs 4 realzies" issue, but it does exist.

Guess what Ipquarx, Planr is right you dumbass!

[Planr]

Alright then, I challenge you to be the first person in Blockland's roughly 10-year history to copyright a blockland save and show us the legal documents for it on here for everyone to see.

Anyways, accusing people of infringing copyright is one thing. Proving they infringed it is another. There is no legitimate way to prove someone copyrighted a blockland save file just from seeing it in a youtube video or on a website. You'd have to see the actual blockland save file and prove the code in the text file matches up, which raises many more problems. You could easily circumvent such things by modifying the save file and shifting the entire build into different coordinate points on the invisible build grid (on which all blockland bricks adhere to) to change a large portion of the save file code. I'd bet that if you duplicated the build, rotated it 90 degrees, moved it over 50 blocks, and then changed the build's paint scheme slightly, telling the similarities in the code would be quite difficult.

Even so, youtube videos and third-party websites go outside the realm of what we were talking about. We're talking about using other people's builds and claiming them as your own on blockland servers. What are you going to do about that if you "copyright" a build and someone hosts it on their blockland server? Are you going to complain to your town court and ask them to cancel that person's ISP? Or are you going to go to Badspot with your legal documents and ask him to revoke their key? Absolutely ridiculous.

Planr, just stop arguing for the sake of arguing. You know as much as we do that there is a colossal difference between plagiarism and freedom of use.

Agreed, there is a difference between plagiarism and freedom of use. However, the definition of plagiarism for an item is highly dependent upon the permitted freedoms of use. And blockland servers have a very high freedom-of-use factor in that regard. Ergo, there's nothing Pecon or Ipquarx can do about it.

I think I've made my point enough, so I suppose I'm done arguing with Ipquarx about this. I'm convinced he's just being stubborn at this point.

[Ipquarx]

Good job dismissing my entire point by saying "you cannot prove ownership of a blockland save" and "there's nothing you can do if someone takes your save" which doesn't invalidate any of my points in the slightest

[Planr]

Good job dismissing my entire point by saying "you cannot prove ownership of a blockland save" and "there's nothing you can do if someone takes your save" which doesn't invalidate any of my points in the slightest

You haven't validated your "points" in the first place. You've just provided vague definitions about what copyright is and that you can copyright text files.

[killer12568]

Good job dismissing my entire point by saying "you cannot prove ownership of a blockland save" and "there's nothing you can do if someone takes your save" which doesn't invalidate any of my points in the slightest

It does invalidate your points, because Planr has picked them apart. Also, you never really validated them in the first place, so I say Planr is right. Case closed!

[Bisjac]

Equivalent to saying that badspot gives up all rights to blockland since he put it up online, so anyone can claim it as their own. Your logic is bullstuff.

badspot actually owns all our builds once we post or host em openly.
they arent a kind of art you can claim because they use copyrighted content.

and badspot gave us permission to take and use all builds available. the builder is irrelevant as forget.

[Bisjac]

if i saved a city build from whatever (X stuffty rp game) and repainted it all.

i will tell you all its my map. and forget the first 1000 guys who wanna disagree.