who here supports gays?

[Badger]

Technically, it doesn't brees bad genes out.

well from what I remember its like if two siblings have intercourse the child only gets a set amount of chromosomes or part of dna because the parents share identical genes

-take what I say with a grain of salt though because I'm more of a physics guy rather than a bio

[Ad Bot]

[warble]

and so you want to force everybody into your narrow viewpoint.


The majority of my friends take drugs. I support them, and I'm happy to watch them do and help them if they need a lighter or whatnot. I myself don't take drugs for reasons, and yet I'm able to peacefully live alongside these guys, both of us happy that we can choose what we want.

Over-loveualisation is another way to say that the world is finally becoming comfortable with the fact that we are very loveual creatures. It's a very difficult topic to talk about though, because it affects many markets (art, clothing, beauty products etc).

Why are you upset with Internet research? Are you just angry that you aren't old enough to polish your pipe yet?
Then you are blind to the world. I can't help blind people see how the real world works.

Live in your delusion. I'm going to live in reality.

first, I dont just say i disagree with things just because people say dats bad Warble you shuddint do dat i look at the scheme of things and find out what is acceptable to me, second, taking shots at people is not the best way to prove a point, and although i cannot prove it textually i am actually 16 as stated, i disagree with research for the reasons of monogomy and the fact that women or men can now sell their bodies, o that and it gives the opposite love high expectations

and this is absolutely nothing but a good thing. if one blames the readiness of information for a moral decline, their morality is likely in some goofy territory. keeping people ignorant is a bad thing.
don't tell my mom i said those things i'll be grounded again

that is a commentary not a point, im just saying that's a reason for some of this stuff happening, more people are exposed then more participate that is a pretty much a factual statement and im in no way using it to further my arguments

[otto-san]

i kinda agree that saying it's not a choice doesn't make it right. the actual matter of 'rightness' is in different areas. anyone on either side that knows what they're talking about can tell you not being straight is not a choice; it's always a matter of if they should repress/conceal/heal their 'condition' or be allowed to 'have it.' this is an issue of morality (probs said that word about fifty times sry) and so, naturally, it's subjective.

i think that, ultimately, the message of humanity shines brightest and movements of humanity will always succeed one way or another eventually. bad times never last and the greatest passive movement is the movement for the happiness of everyone. i guess that sounds pretty idealistic and stupid, but it hasn't failed me yet.

that is a commentary not a point, im just saying that's a reason for some of this stuff happening, more people are exposed then more participate that is a pretty much a factual statement and im in no way using it to further my arguments

wait i'm confused about subjects in this
are you saying that a lot of people are pretending to be special snowflakes since they can easily know about it? i guess that's true, but it shouldn't be a detriment to the message of the real people being treated unfairly

[Mr. Hurricane]

first, I dont just say i disagree with things just because people say dats bad Warble you shuddint do dat i look at the scheme of things and find out what is acceptable to me, second, taking shots at people is not the best way to prove a point, and although i cannot prove it textually i am actually 16 as stated, i disagree with research for the reasons of monogomy and the fact that women or men can now sell their bodies, o that and it gives the opposite love high expectationsthat is a commentary not a point, im just saying that's a reason for some of this stuff happening, more people are exposed then more participate that is a pretty much a factual statement and im in no way using it to further my arguments

What could further your argument is some coherent sentence and paragraph structure.

[ShadowsfeaR]

well from what I remember its like if two siblings have intercourse the child only gets a set amount of chromosomes or part of dna because the parents share identical genes

-take what I say with a grain of salt though because I'm more of a physics guy rather than a bio

That would sound right as well. Maybe it's both. /shrug

[ultimamax]

I've never heard an argument against gay marriage that wasn't based in religion or "traditional" morals. There is no rational argument against gay marriage. Withholding marriage from people based on factors they can't control like their loveuality is morally wrong. Even if you argue that marriage is a religious or traditional institution, gay people should be allowed to exercise the same rights that married straight people get. For example, a marriage partner is always considered family in situations where their spouse has been in an accident and is unable to communicate who they want to be able to see them. (as in they're passed out or whatever) Gay people aren't afforded this privilege.

To me it's more about the principle. Getting married (as in getting a marriage license, not having a wedding or whatever) isn't extremely important, but withholding a legal privilege from someone based on factors beyond their control is wrong. That's why gay marriage is the hottest GSM issue; getting majority support would signify a growing acceptance for GSM people from the American public.

ok, so people can't forget dogs because they can't give consent, why is incest not allowed.

it doesn't matter what unlawful thing i bring up, the want and urge to do something should not make it alright and should not be an argument at all

if it's between two fertile members of the opposite love, there's a heightened chance that a child they bear will have birth defects or genetic problems.
beyond that there's really no rational justification against it. sure we may find it morally deplorable but there's not really any harm being done, it's just weird. if your only argument is that it feels wrong, and not that it has some negative effect, then you have no argument.

It's funny to see kids like warble parroting what their parents spew at them about the decay of society and stuff. People forget that this happens every generation. This happened with interracial marriage, with women's suffrage, with the prohibition of slavery.

[McJob]

first, I dont just say i disagree with things just because people say dats bad Warble you shuddint do dat i look at the scheme of things and find out what is acceptable to me,

And I've told you, you're blind. You haven't studied human psychology, the origins of religion, art through the ages, the creation and history of technology...you don't know anything about why human life is the way it is. You only have assertions made on stereotypes that you've generated, likely from the people at your high school who aren't educated in those fields either.

Piss off.

second, taking shots at people is not the best way to prove a point, and although i cannot prove it textually i am actually 16 as stated,

This is an entire forum, not a serious ground of debate. If I want to make my argument contain a couple of potshots at you, I will. I'm not here to present a giant thesis, I'm here to entertain people and describe my opinion, and my opinion is that you're full of stuff.

i disagree with research for the reasons of monogomy and the fact that women or men can now sell their bodies, o that and it gives the opposite love high expectations

I needed a loving industrial-level translation book to convert this from "stupid" to "passable".

How the forget does monogomy even enter into the Internet research debate? Also, it's that person's body. They can do whatever they damn well please with it. God gave you a soul, but your mother/father gave you your body. Don't forget with your soul, do however you please to your body. I also wouldn't call it "selling their bodies"...they're not chopping limbs off and selling them on eBay. They're selling images and video of their naked bodies over the internet. Very different.

High expectations? Are you trying to say that you were disappointed after you watched research, then had real love and it wasn't as good as you thought it would be?

[warble]

It's funny to see kids like warble parroting what their parents spew at them about the decay of society and stuff. People forget that this happens every generation. This happened with interracial marriage, with women's suffrage, with the prohibition of slavery.
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I came up with all of that of my own accord i do take views from my parents, but they've never brought this up with me, i just look forward see all this stuff like human augmentation coming within my lifetime and say "what has the world come to?"

[Headcrab Zombie]

Because the children whose lives are going to be horribly messed up due to the gene mutations they'll get can't give consent.

I'm nowhere near an expert on incest, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't make any noticeable difference until several generations

the parents share identical genes

no they dont
unless the parents are identical twins

i kinda agree that saying it's not a choice doesn't make it right.

This is a fair point; another issue is "is it hurting anyone"
of course the answer to that is "no"

it gives the opposite love high expectations

If this happens to you, it's your fault, not research's

[Cargøn]

I came up with all of that of my own accord i do take views from my parents, but they've never brought this up with me, i just look forward see all this stuff like human augmentation coming within my lifetime and say "what has the world come to?"

excuse me but where does human augmentation come in to someone being into the rooster

[otto-san]

i have no problems with incest at face value, love whoever you want w/e, but inbreeding is a pretty real problem in any scenario. luckily, humanity is diverse enough for it to not be devastating on a small scale, but it's not really fair to the child.

[Badger]

no they dont
unless the parents are identical twins

similar*

[Mr. Hurricane]

I came up with all of that of my own accord i do take views from my parents, but they've never brought this up with me, i just look forward see all this stuff like human augmentation coming within my lifetime and say "what has the world come to?"

I thought we were talking about gay marriage.

On an unrelated note, I feel that the human race needs to develop human morals, not piggyback on religious ones.

[warble]

i have no problems with incest at face value, love whoever you want w/e, but inbreeding is a pretty real problem in any scenario. luckily, humanity is diverse enough for it to not be devastating on a small scale, but it's not really fair to the child.

I am too conservative for this damn forum my goodness

[Cargøn]

I am too conservative for this damn forum my goodness

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