Author Topic: State of the Union address - barack obongo  (Read 10808 times)

so 90% of your argument is im just a greedy jerk Riddler for wanting to have a retirement fund or a college fund for my kids instead of spending all that money on something i don't need or want? oh okay

i think your only issue with mandated insurance is that its mandated

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if you don't have insurance and you get injured horribly you probably won't have that retirement fund anymore

so 90% of your argument is im just a greedy jerk Riddler for wanting to have a retirement fund or a college fund for my kids instead of spending all that money on something i don't need or want? oh okay
you must be batstuff crazy if you dont want insurance
have fun with your 300k hospital bills (money that could be used towards investing, whoops have fun explaining to whomever that they cant go to college cause you were too much of a cheapskate to get insurance so you had to use their college fund to pay off the medical bills)

you must be batstuff crazy if you dont want insurance
have fun with your 300k hospital bills (money that could be used towards investing, whoops have fun explaining to whomever that they cant go to college cause you were too much of a cheapskate to get insurance so you had to use their college fund to pay off the medical bills)
The beautiful part is that it doesn't have to be setup that way. having insurance and having no insurance penalizes you monetarily either way. Its the perfect money grubbing scheme and it should be entirely abolished.

have fun with your 300k hospital bills
if you don't have insurance and you get injured horribly you probably won't have that retirement fund anymore
catastrophic plan


you must be batstuff crazy if you dont want insurance

thats not my point, the government shouldnt (and doesnt) have the right to force me to buy something i dont want or need


thats not my point, the government shouldnt (and doesnt) have the right to force me to buy something i dont want or need
then move to a 3rd world country where you arent
taxes/insurance are a cost of living in a civilized country, deal with it lol

what is it with you and your "pay tons of money when the government tells you to buy the product of the day or go to the third world" gimmick?

i mean i agree with kearn there; government shouldn't mandate the purchase of services unless not doing so is potentially harmful to others or disruptive to general order, e.g. broken headlights, liability insurance (technically i think this shouldn't be a requirement if one has legitimate means otherwise but it's probably still better in the event that an incident occurs), etc.

i also agree that having government-provided opt-in healthcare is a good thing for people that wouldn't be able to afford it otherwise. the general function of government is that people give up something in return for security, the main issue that a lot of people have is that they don't need or want that security but give up more to provide for it. i don't really think there are 'right' answers, it's a matter of moral placement and that's inherently subjective. certainly nothing to get in an argument about, though admittedly i don't agree with participating in arguments in general.

what is it with you and your "pay tons of money when the government tells you to buy the product of the day or go to the third world" gimmick?
whats it with you and your anarchistic attitude on everything? you seem like you'd be much happier in a country where there literally is no government, and surprise its gonna be 3rd world cause every first world country has a government (good luck naming a country that isnt riddled with crime or corruption and doesnt have a government)
if you dont wanna pay something then just do what youre supposed to do and vote for a candidate that supports your ideals

lmao if anything the united states is on 3rd world level with its healthcare.

canada and almost all of europe has universal, free healthcare.

lmao if anything the united states is on 3rd world level with its healthcare.

canada and almost all of europe has universal, free healthcare.
but the gubberment cant tell me what to do!!! *old man grumbling*

whats it with you and your anarchistic attitude on everything? you seem like you'd be much happier in a country where there literally is no government

apparently you got there from me wanting to be able to spend my own money on stuff i actually need?

you seem like you'd be much happier in a country where there literally is no government, and surprise its gonna be 3rd world cause every first world country has a government (good luck naming a country that isnt riddled with crime or corruption and doesnt have a government)

lol

then move to a 3rd world country where you arent
taxes/insurance are a cost of living in a civilized country, deal with it lol
Taxes are not a problem. Its when you start taxing for things that shouldn't be taxed when it starts to become an issue. And its also an issue when you're being forced to pay for something that should be yours by choice and not by a government ruling. Our governments priorities are backwards, and they are stealing from the people and upsetting the very economic structure that we became great on. We still have a lot of freedoms left but monetarily we spend most if not all of our lives now in bondage (its called debt). Forcing and penalizing your nations Citizens for something that should be by choice is not something i call civilized or a "freedom".
the general function of government is that people give up something in return for security, the main issue that a lot of people have is that they don't need or want that security but give up more to provide for it.
I'd have to say that that is the MODERN definition of government. You don't have to give up anything for security. The true and actual function of Government is to protect its people. Instead its turned into some kind of fat-cat club.

whats it with you and your anarchistic attitude on everything? you seem like you'd be much happier in a country where there literally is no government, and surprise its gonna be 3rd world cause every first world country has a government (good luck naming a country that isnt riddled with crime or corruption and doesnt have a government)
if you dont wanna pay something then just do what youre supposed to do and vote for a candidate that supports your ideals
There's a difference between wanting a smaller government and being a total anarchist. This is literally a straw-man

but the gubberment cant tell me what to do!!! *old man grumbling*
So are you going to keep on repeating stereotypes and what your parents told you or what

but the gubberment cant tell me what to do!!! *old man grumbling*
wow you almost had a point there but decided to just mock kearn

nice try 4/10 might snag some guppies

Our allies are uneasy because we are dominate? You couldn't be more wrong, how allies are uneasy because they no longer know if the United States can protect them because we are neglecting our military with budget cuts and still operating warheads that are 20+ years old.

I did not say the armed forces directly effect that, I said that the governments job is not free healthcare and welfare. It's purpose is to protect the constitution and the people.
No, that's not what I'm saying at all.  If you've ever seen the Leroy Jenkins video, it's closer along those lines.  Since America rushes in gung-ho, our allies are often dragged along, and because we are obviously financially ill-prepared and are digging deeper debts, we're inadvertently forcing our allies to strain their finances.  It's irresponsible on so many levels.

Furthermore, protecting the people is one thing, but at this point, the American agenda in the Middle East is influence on the petroleum market—the agenda of protecting the people is not a primary concern or perhaps any concern at all, since the government is not providing a system in which the welfare of the people may thrive.

As far as the Constitution goes?  Exceuse me but that is one of the most silly of them all.  Excluding the assumption that the government is only protecting the document itself, the Constitution and Bill of Rights were built around the idea that both needed to be amendable as times changed.  To maintain a status quo as far as rights goes would be to defeat the purpose of both documents.  Since when did the Armed Forces have any influence on the law of the land?