State of the Union address - barack obongo

[otto-san]

I'd have to say that that is the MODERN definition of government. You don't have to give up anything for security. The true and actual function of Government is to protect its people. Instead its turned into some kind of fat-cat club.

it doesn't have to be something material given up such as wealth or possessions. it can easily be something abstract. when people form governments, they give up the right of general, uninhibited freedom in return for general security and protection, as well as unity with a common society.

government exists out of the will of the people, and out of the power granted by the people to govern, and so it only makes sense that it should exist to serve the people.

i think it's pretty pessimistic to say general government has become akin to aristocracy; this certainly is the case in some areas, but not all.

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[Lockebox]

Well we will certainly get there if we're not careful. I get sick of all the bullstuff coming out of our political parties to be honest. Its hard to tell sometimes if any of them give an actual stuff about people and less about money.

[otto-san]

we have some pretty strong forces working against that kind of thing, but i suppose it's not out of the question if power en-masse lands in the wrong hands. i'd like to think a lot of people in political power have legitimately good intentions; it's not easy to get to that kind of position. however, fundraising for election campaigns can certainly become a distraction in some positions. i also don't really like the political party system; there are some potentially detrimental psychological effects that may occur from having them, especially since it's a bit of a dichotomy at this point in time.

[Frankie²]

Taxes are not a problem. Its when you start taxing for things that shouldn't be taxed when it starts to become an issue. And its also an issue when you're being forced to pay for something that should be yours by choice and not by a government ruling. Our governments priorities are backwards, and they are stealing from the people and upsetting the very economic structure that we became great on. We still have a lot of freedoms left but monetarily we spend most if not all of our lives now in bondage (its called debt). Forcing and penalizing your nations Citizens for something that should be by choice is not something i call civilized or a "freedom".

whats being taxed that shouldnt be? or do you mean getting taxed for things that we shouldnt be taxed for

There's a difference between wanting a smaller government and being a total anarchist. This is literally a straw-man

perhaps, its hard to tell who is and isnt when all i hear is anti-government speech

So are you going to keep on repeating stereotypes and what your parents told you or what

thats not my point, the government shouldnt (and doesnt) have the right to force me to buy something i dont want or need

sure lol

Well we will certainly get there if we're not careful. I get sick of all the bullstuff coming out of our political parties to be honest. Its hard to tell sometimes if any of them give an actual stuff about people and less about money.

politicians: money > longevity of the country

[Alternat¡ve]

sure lol

can you post a picture of your masters degree from the school of dismissing arguments

[Frankie²]

can you post a picture of your masters degree from the school of dismissing arguments

im not dismissing it at all
locket was calling what i was saying  a "stereotype" (albeit in a more humorous way) and i refuted with a quote from kearn that backs up my summarization

[Alternat¡ve]

im not dismissing it at all
locket was calling what i was saying a "stereotype"  and i refuted with a quote from kearn that backs up my summarization (albeit in a more humorous way)

oh ok my bad you just went to the school of how not to format a post..

[Frankie²]

oh ok my bad you just went to the school of how not to format a post..

i admit that i formatted it rather weird but there is no need to be a cunt about it

[Lockebox]

im not dismissing it at all
locket was calling what i was saying a "stereotype"  and i refuted with a quote from kearn that backs up my summarization (albeit in a more humorous way)

Thats not refuting lol. what Kearn stated is true. Its ass-backwards being forced to purchase something. You simply have a severe lack of understanding of what a Government should and shouldn't be able to do. Thats not anti-government speech either.

[Nonnel]

you keep talking about how health care is pointless, and that you don't need it. But you would end up losing less money by having it and paying the tax than you would saving up the amount it would cost to pay off a full medical bill, depending on how sever your case was.

but he did you get "you never need healthcare" out of "you should save your money for healthcare"

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Obama is a good president guys

[Alternat¡ve]

i admit that i formatted it rather weird but there is no need to be a cunt about it

yeah im such a condescending cunt..

[Lockebox]

Obama is a good president guys

He excels in some areas and in others he doesn't. Every president has this and i think we glean and lean more on the bad things than we do on the good.

[Frankie²]

Thats not refuting lol what Kearn stated is true. Its ass-backwards being forced to purchase something. You simply have a severe lack of understanding of what a Government should and shouldn't be able to do.

isnt that debatable? what a government should and shouldnt do? different glasses for different folks i guess

yeah im such a condescending cunt..

sounds like a personal problem

[SetGaming]

He excels in some areas and in others he doesn't. Every president has this and i think we glean and lean more on the bad things than we do on the good.

like john adams

everyone thought he sucked at the time but later we thought "yeh he's col"