can we talk about the state of servers on this game right now?

[Kimon²]

double post im actually gonna try to set up a server with someone else we'll see how it goes and then i can say i tried

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[Amade]

Christ in staples, what is wrong with people? You don't have to fix a problem to be able to complain about it! There are a hundred things I could be complaining about right now and be completely justified for being annoyed.

Is it better to try to fix a problem than to simply complain about it? Sure it is. But you can't expect everyone who is annoyed with the quality of servers to be able to create quality servers themselves. Creating a quality server is a LOT of work. SvH took the Craftsmen (Sock, Wizzeh, Chefkokkie, Cheemo, Bushido, others who I'm forgetting, and I) months of development, between building, planning, scripting, modeling, testing, balancing, rebalancing, and revising. Even now it needs more work to be playable again thanks to a number of changes that have occurred and Space Guy's absence (and hence the lack of maintenance of GameMode_Team_Deathmatch, which SvH currently requires). It's a huge pain in the ass, and not everybody will enjoy the process or find the tedium to be worth the reward.

If someone doesn't like the state of the servers they can complain about it. It's perfectly fine that they do.

[Dannu]

The main difference is that between the lines, he's dictating what we're supposed to like and strutting around like he is completely correct in his self-absorbed ways. The reason I'm primed towards a negative attitude of him is that he literally came to Reinforcement's BR server and for a very long period of time, 'expressed his discontent' towards the server making everyone as uncomfortable as possible and having the half the server yell at him to just leave after which he reeled back onto the known line of 'I'm just expressing my opinion' after which shortly segwaying back to why the server was horrible and how he would never want to participate in it.

[Kimon²]

The main difference is that between the lines, he's dictating what we're supposed to like and strutting around like he is completely correct in his self-absorbed ways.

im pretty sure i never said you couldnt like something, but ok

as for the rest of it, rein's server was pretty loving bad. like the admin literally bent over backwards to defend someone blocking an entrance with their body because "my rules say its only bad if you block it with bricks" so i was pretty angry and thought maybe we could just address the glaring problems like that at the server

[·::Kishgal::·]

The main difference is that between the lines, he's dictating what we're supposed to like and strutting around like he is completely correct in his self-absorbed ways.

I'm not seeing it.

[Dannu]

im pretty sure i never said you couldnt like something, but ok

as for the rest of it, rein's server was pretty loving bad. like the admin literally bent over backwards to defend someone blocking an entrance with their body because "my rules say its only bad if you block it with bricks" so i was pretty angry and thought maybe we could just address the glaring problems like that at the server

Simply not true.

[Kimon²]

Simply not true.

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no explanation? nothing? just 'not true?'

alright man

[Dannu]

Also, your reply doesn't address any points I brought up.

as for the rest of it, rein's server was pretty loving bad. like the admin literally bent over backwards to defend someone blocking an entrance with their body because "my rules say its only bad if you block it with bricks" so i was pretty angry and thought maybe we could just address the glaring problems like that at the server

[Kimon²]

Also, your reply doesn't address any points I brought up.

i was explaining what i was doing and how it wasnt whatever you exaggerated it to be. like i mean i at the very least put a lot more effort into the reply.

you keep saying stuff without explaining it so im not sure what to say anyways.

[Dannu]

i was explaining what i was doing and how it wasnt whatever you exaggerated it to be. like i mean i at the very least put a lot more effort into the reply.

I was addressing your unacceptable behavior, but you are actively trying to de-rail the argument back on an opinion bases as you seem convinced that's what everyone wishes to hear.

[Kimon²]

I was addressing your unacceptable behavior

telling the host what he was doing is bullstuff is totally unacceptable, right? still havent told me why you think the host is in the right other than you not wanting to see the chat messages

but you are actively trying to de-rail the argument back on an opinion bases as you seem convinced that's what everyone wishes to hear.

forget does this mean

[Dannu]

-Snip me saying your behavior towards in Reinforcement's server was unacceptable-

-Snip you criticizing rein as a host and his server-

Why do you seem to not be able to understand the difference between your behavior and the behavior of others. The fact that the you dislike a server does in no way give you the right to go out of your way to annoy the playerbase of the server and impose your criticism on others completely not related to fixing the issue. It seems to be a complexive behavior of yours to justify your actions or lack of them with the flaws of others and I'd assume that these actions are prompted by a lack of attention outside the internet.

[Kimon²]

Why do you seem to not be able to understand the difference between your behavior and the behavior of others.

again you arent exactly making much sense. what the hell does this have to do with your argument

The fact that the you dislike a server does in no way give you the right to go out of your way to annoy the playerbase of the server and impose your criticism on others completely not related to fixing the issue.

so im not allowed to express my disdain in the server, only referring to the host, and he's responding mind you, or else im "going out of my way to annoy the players"
you know, saying that criticism is annoying and that nobody wants to hear it is a big part of why the hosts refuse to actually fix their god damn servers cause they dont think they need to listen to it.

It seems to be a complexive behavior of yours to justify your actions or lack of them with the flaws of others

again, you seem to be implying that there is something fundamentally wrong with criticizing servers and hosts. what i do doesn't really have anything relevant to do with criticizing something where it's due. also, im pretty sure complexive isn't actually a word.

I'd assume that these actions are prompted by a lack of attention outside the internet.

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again, this makes almost 0 sense, especially combined with the fact that you again give no explanation for whatever the forget you were thinking when you wrote this.

[Awdax]

Right now? People hosting stuffty servers has been a thing for a long time. If people want to host something pretty crappy, they're going to host it. What are you going to do? Somehow have their hosting privileges removed?

The real problem is that not a lot of people host high-quality servers. The only thing you can do about that, is have you or some friends host something that you deem good enough. But like Amade said, that can be a lot of work.

It's a sandbox game, and being an indie game, we have a smaller community than most AAA games that allow people to host servers. So we aren't going to have a lot of diamonds in the rough, when it comes to hosting a server.

[SBG]

^? srsly kimon c'mon change it back

(maybe answer this after the main topic is solved)