Freedom of Speech infringement at my school?

[Col. Derontchi]

Honestly, I see where warble is coming from. I think he is not necessarily saying that he hates gays, nor he is blindly afraid of change per se, maybe just the negative side effects of that change. I also see what he is saying with the "society's desire to accommodate every new thing" and I think he said it better than I did. For instance, many of you may label me as a family man even long after this thread is gone, even though I never really expressed any family values.

For Badspot, I would like to clarify that this is NOT any plea for sympathy.

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[tnatsissA]

For Badspot, I would like to clarify that this is NOT any plea for sympathy.

Since when would it ever be considered a plea for sympathy?

[warble]

have you ever considered that you may actually be afraid of change

Good point, and at least at school I have plenty of kids Im in class with everyday who make me fear for the future of society

Im not afraid of change, i just have a negative opinion towards most new social movements, it doesn't keep me up at night by any stretch of the imagination

maybe if i had more time and experience on the earth i could better grasp these concepts but alas im only 17 and this millennium is all i have to compare my world to

[Col. Derontchi]

Since when would it ever be considered a plea for sympathy?

I dunno, that last sentence made me a bit cautious.

[ultimamax]

When I say "many", I am not implying an "overwhelming majority", or at least not intending to. When I say "many", I mean, "enough to make a noticeable difference".
youve seen less than 20 gay people

However, I do think the number is larger than you wish to admit. I also did not say anything about "it's their fault their gay and therefore discriminated against". I said that, in some cases, they are able to reduce some of those things by not drawing so much negative attention to themselves.
in other words, gay people shouldn't do things that straight people do (holding hands in public, mentioning their loveual orientation, kissing)
victim blaming

 This is exactly what I mean by "getting torn apart". I said "something able to be remotely interpreted as homophobic", implying that is not WHAT THEY ACTUALLY SAID NOR IMPLIED. It is when it is twisted and turned to fit a bias is when it becomes homophobic.
He literally compared it to the little rock 9, and then commented on how much he wanted to punch them in the face but he couldn't. (them being a protected group)
His argument is literally so forgeted lol. It was the least presentable argument in the thread, it's socially deplorable.

The graphic he provided did provide a source, yes. However, those same laws (or lack thereof) also allow straight people to be fired, expelled, etc. for being straight. It is a lack of protection of gender identity and loveual orientation. Now likelihood is a different story. The difference being, nobody is ever fired for being straight, because 95% of the country is straight, and because our culture diminishes homoloveuality. (or at least, it did until like 20 years ago, and there is still residual family values and no heterophobia because it was never established)



Do not say I am not paying attention to the arguments, please.
It does not matter how many I have met personally. It's all about observations.
it absolutely does, esp when your sample size is so low.
And again, it's not uneasiness, I can see how you might be able to twist that, but it's simply an observation I have made.

Read above for the whole career thing, please.

You can call it a stereotype if you want, I don't really care. Even then, stereotypes are almost always based on a truth. I see far too many people let their loveualities define them.
by people you mean a few teenagers whose supposed problem i'm convinced you are overstating

I cited the video because I was hoping it would at least help you see what I'm trying to say, maybe it didn't work like I had hoped.
the video didn't support your argument beyond "there are some LGBT people who let loveuality define them" which i never disagreed with in the first place

Read again, son. Please. I'm not even going to dignify that with anything else.
i cited many legitimate statistics regarding LGBT youth. perhaps there is a need for solidarity through pride events and days of silence and such when you are 5x more likely to be homeless than your peers, and 8x more likely to commit Self Delete if your family is unsupportive

Honestly, I see where warble is coming from. I think he is not necessarily saying that he hates gays, nor he is blindly afraid of change per se, maybe just the negative side effects of that change. I also see what he is saying with the "society's desire to accommodate every new thing" and I think he said it better than I did. For instance, many of you may label me as a family man even long after this thread is gone, even though I never really expressed any family values.

For Badspot, I would like to clarify that this is NOT any plea for sympathy.

HE LITERALLY TALKED ABOUT PUNCHING THE LITTLE ROCK 9 LOL

[warble]

alluding to the feeling, not the situation
the feeling of helplessness

[Epicduke]

Good point, and at least at school I have plenty of kids Im in class with everyday who make me fear for the future of society

Im not afraid of change, i just have a negative opinion towards most new social movements, it doesn't keep me up at night by any stretch of the imagination

maybe if i had more time and experience on the earth i could better grasp these concepts but alas im only 17 and this millennium is all i have to compare my world to

I think you are afraid of change, you're the one that carries a Walkman or something around school. either that or you're a hipster

[Nonnel]

the day of silence is the best day because no one can be loudly flamboyant

[warble]

I like the whole vibe about the 80's cassettes included, I don't consider myself a hipster because I actually like those things and don't just pretend to like those things, to own a car from 1987 takes dedication. you cant fake it
If I put an Awesome mix volume 1 sticker on my theoretical Ipod(and didn't actually own a single cassette), I would be a hipster
so many edits ugh

[warble]

goodnight everybody, I got school tommorow

[Col. Derontchi]

It's impossible to estimate how many, but I guarantee you I've seen at least 6-10 of these people I am, these last 8 months or so alone. If I have seen less than 20 gay people in my lifetime, isn't this enough?

And no, not PDAs, as we both said, letting their loveualities define them.

That third one was not about warble.

Again, I said likelihood is a different story. Keep up.

I'll explain that last one tomorrow because I don't feel like typing out the wall of text that the least would require. Sorry.

The only point I've intended to make is that far too many people let their loveualities define them. Can we agree on that?

[Ipquarx]

When I say "many", I am not implying an "overwhelming majority", or at least not intending to. When I say "many", I mean, "enough to make a noticeable difference". However, I do think the number is larger than you wish to admit. I also did not say anything about "it's their fault their gay and therefore discriminated against". I said that, in some cases, they are able to reduce some of those things by not drawing so much negative attention to themselves. This is exactly what I mean by "getting torn apart". I said "something able to be remotely interpreted as homophobic", implying that is not WHAT THEY ACTUALLY SAID NOR IMPLIED. It is when it is twisted and turned to fit a bias is when it becomes homophobic. The graphic he provided did provide a source, yes. However, those same laws (or lack thereof) also allow straight people to be fired, expelled, etc. for being straight. It is a lack of protection of gender identity and loveual orientation. Now likelihood is a different story. Do not say I am not paying attention to the arguments, please.

When you said "Many" meaning "Enough to make a noticable difference" you're literally saying nothing of important value. There are "Many" straight people who are even more despicable than any flamboyant gay person. Yet are straight people discriminated against in the same way LGBT people are? No. You're also not saying anything when you say that a straight person could have their career ruined for saying something they didn't mean. If they handle public relations correctly it will not be ruined. Seen the memories pizza? They were blatantly anti-gay and they raised almost a million dollars. That's how you handle PR correctly. I can't even think about something that fits your criteria. I've never seen anything even close to that on the news, local or otherwise. If you have a statistically significant size of cases of that happening, be my guest.

Its funny how a post makes sense in your head when you post it and quickly realize later that some slip in judgement completely changes the tone and makes me look like I go burning gays at the stake. I don't
I simply don't believe In their way of thinking it disagrees with my religion and it just doesn't seem right to me for two men or two women or one man and one transgender or what have you to have love or have more intimate forms of love between eachother and I know it happens and I know they cant control their own bodies, but damn do I have to force myself to like them now to be in the right?

edit:
Passively disagreeing isn't disagreement

Instead of being all "IT'S WRONG" you could just be like "I don't want to participate" which is more than likely what you're feeling. That is not family values. That is called being a heteroloveual. There is nothing inherintly wrong with being gay, if you agree with that then you are not a family man. Unless you're against them having equal rights, in which case you are a richard to people for no good reason.

The only real downside of the equality movement is the radicals. If you're trying to imply that straight people are divorcing more often because gays have more rights now I'd really like to see your proof of that. Correlation does NOT imply causation.

[tnatsissA]

I like some traditional values but some if not a lot of it needs to change.
But that's just me~

[ZombiLoin]

besides, if there are any social movements to fear, they're probably not the movements you would find high-school sjws joining. i haven't really seen gay rights groups or feminist groups commit terrorism on a scale equivalent to that of communist, or muslim or christian fundamentalist terrorists.

[Col. Derontchi]

When you said "Many" meaning "Enough to make a noticable difference" you're literally saying nothing of important value. There are "Many" straight people who are even more despicable than any flamboyant gay person. Yet are straight people discriminated against in the same way LGBT people are? No. You're also not saying anything when you say that a straight person could have their career ruined for saying something they didn't mean. If they handle public relations correctly it will not be ruined. Seen the memories pizza? They were blatantly anti-gay and they raised almost a million dollars. That's how you handle PR correctly. I can't even think about something that fits your criteria. I've never seen anything even close to that on the news, local or otherwise. If you have a statistically significant size of cases of that happening, be my guest.

That seems kind of rambled. Will you please reword?