Author Topic: Why is Tezuni and his servers so despised? (Read 22823 times)

Gytyyhgfffff · September 06, 2015, 09:43:23 PM

Quote from: �:Taboo:� on September 06, 2015, 09:38:21 PM

ok do you legitimately think that good vps's that can host up to 3-4 Blockland servers each with 20 or so people on each costs 10 bucks per month

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sir dooble · September 06, 2015, 09:46:34 PM

He never said he can't afford to host. I'm sure he can.
But there's nothing wrong with asking people to put a little towards the costs for something they otherwise get entertainment out of for free.

Have you ever heard of Patreon? Same principle, and guess what, there are rewards/incentives for patreon patrons too.

Gytyyhgfffff · September 06, 2015, 09:49:00 PM

Quote from: sir dooble on September 06, 2015, 09:46:34 PM

He never said he can't afford to host. I'm sure he can.
But there's nothing wrong with asking people to put a little towards the costs for something they otherwise get entertainment out of for free.

Have you ever heard of Patreon? Same principle, and guess what, there are rewards/incentives for patreon patrons too.

imo patreon does not compare well at all in a situation like this
in a video game, advantages that you get if you pay money is /really/ unfair to other players
a lot more unfair compared to something like patreon where if you support a YouTube show that you like you might get a free t-shirt

Ravencroft� · September 06, 2015, 09:51:39 PM

Quote from: �:Taboo:� on September 06, 2015, 09:38:21 PM

Get off your high horse. I have expenses as well, yet I still maintain my servers just fine. Your job must not be very "great" if you can't afford ten dollars a month on top of whatever others fees you may have.
If your only defense is just shouting that you have your own problems, you may as well just stop posting now. If you can't afford to host, get this: don't host.
I don't see anything about donations anywhere in here.
What are you even talking about? Like, I literally don't know what you think you're trying to communicate.

Sorry, should've given you the site
http://legendsofblockland.weebly.com/donations.html

Gytyyhgfffff · September 06, 2015, 09:52:58 PM

Quote from: Ravencroft� on September 06, 2015, 09:51:39 PM

Sorry, should've given you the site
http://legendsofblockland.weebly.com/donations.html

maybe legends of blockland was FarmVille the whole entire time

�:Taboo:� · September 06, 2015, 09:57:20 PM

Quote from: Gytyyhgfffff on September 06, 2015, 09:43:23 PM

ok do you legitimately think that good vps's that can host up to 3-4 Blockland servers each with 20 or so people on each costs 10 bucks per month

Sure, why not. Maybe $20 at most. It is not expensive or difficult to host for Blockland.

Quote from: sir dooble on September 06, 2015, 09:46:34 PM

He never said he can't afford to host. I'm sure he can.
But there's nothing wrong with asking people to put a little towards the costs for something they otherwise get entertainment out of for free.
Have you ever heard of Patreon? Same principle, and guess what, there are rewards/incentives for patreon patrons too.

If he was just asking for donations, that would be fine. Offering gameplay incentives is not asking, it is bribing.
You can't compare (most) Patreon rewards to in-game advantages. Generally speaking, Patreon rewards are additional information on something's process, streams with an author, maybe a comic's page early. Some offer material rewards, and I don't really like that, but it's ultimately just buying a shirt. You still can't compare that to gameplay advantages.

Quote from: Ravencroft� on September 06, 2015, 09:51:39 PM

Sorry, should've given you the site
http://legendsofblockland.weebly.com/donations.html

Looks like this did slip by me entirely, yes.

Gytyyhgfffff · September 06, 2015, 10:01:19 PM

Quote from: �:Taboo:� on September 06, 2015, 09:57:20 PM

Sure, why not. Maybe $20 at most. It is not expensive or difficult to host for Blockland.

i saw him once hosting atleast 4 servers at once, i would expect the vps to cost a lot more. if we're talking about a vps one from nfo, i'd think it would be anywhere from 40-60 bucks per month

Gytyyhgfffff · September 06, 2015, 10:02:22 PM

Quote from: Gytyyhgfffff on September 06, 2015, 10:01:19 PM

i saw him once hosting atleast 4 servers at once, i would expect the vps to cost a lot more. if we're talking about a vps one from nfo, i'd think it would be anywhere from 40-60 bucks per month

actually scratch 40-60 bucks per month. probably more like 30-50

sir dooble · September 06, 2015, 10:02:46 PM

Quote from: Gytyyhgfffff on September 06, 2015, 09:49:00 PM

imo patreon does not compare well at all in a situation like this
in a video game, advantages that you get if you pay money is /really/ unfair to other players
a lot more unfair compared to something like patreon where if you support a YouTube show that you like you might get a free t-shirt

The majority of Tezuni's rewards are cosmetic and don't affect gameplay.
I won't defend the rewards that do affect it, however.
But the concept of financially supporting a server and being given a reward (which Taboo and some others seemed vehemently opposed to) is no different to the concept of Patreon and is not a bad thing.
The only thing worth criticising is the rewards which are given out.

�:Taboo:� · September 06, 2015, 10:04:17 PM

Quote from: Gytyyhgfffff on September 06, 2015, 10:01:19 PM

Quote from: Gytyyhgfffff on September 06, 2015, 10:02:22 PM

You could easily host four servers off one VPS system. Assuming you got a decent one, anyway. I've hosted multiple servers off home machines at a time before, no reason a professional VPS couldn't.

Quote from: sir dooble on September 06, 2015, 10:02:46 PM

But the concept of financially supporting a server and being given a reward (which Taboo and some others seemed vehemently opposed to) is no different to the concept of Patreon and is not a bad thing.

Have you not been reading the thread? I'm not opposed to silly cosmetic rewards. Nobody has said anything against them.

Tezuni 2.0 · September 06, 2015, 10:05:43 PM

Quote from: �:Taboo:� on September 06, 2015, 09:57:20 PM

Sure, why not. Maybe $20 at most. It is not expensive or difficult to host for Blockland.

Not $10, not $20, not $30, not $40, keep guessing, it's higher. I don't rent dollar store quality VPS and I host many servers.
The community plays on it, and they pay for it.

�:Taboo:� · September 06, 2015, 10:08:27 PM

Quote from: Tezuni 2.0 on September 06, 2015, 10:05:43 PM

Not $10, not $20, not $30, not $40, keep guessing, it's higher. I don't rent dollar store quality VPS and I host many servers.
The community plays on it, and they pay for it.

You are paying too much for low quality hardware. For someone with "adult expenses," you don't seem to know how to spend your money intelligently. It's little wonder then that you have to bribe people to support your servers.

Gytyyhgfffff · September 06, 2015, 10:09:48 PM

Quote from: Tezuni 2.0 on September 06, 2015, 10:05:43 PM

Not $10, not $20, not $30, not $40, keep guessing, it's higher. I don't rent dollar store quality VPS and I host many servers.
The community plays on it, and they pay for it.

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if you're paying above 60 bucks for your vps then you seriousally need to think about switching to a different provider because holy mingus that is way too much for just hosting a couple Blockland servers

sir dooble · September 06, 2015, 10:18:26 PM

Quote from: �:Taboo:� on September 06, 2015, 10:04:17 PM

Have you not been reading the thread? I'm not opposed to silly cosmetic rewards. Nobody has said anything against them.

I didn't claim anyone had an issue with cosmetic rewards at all.
Instead, this;

Quote from: �:Taboo:� on September 06, 2015, 09:02:31 PM

Get a job.

and other posts, came off as being entirely opposed to financially supporting at all, regardless of what rewards there were, if any.
That was my only qualm.

Epicduke · September 06, 2015, 10:40:59 PM

the only thing i hate about his prison escape is the map
it looks really ugly, but i still play on his server once and a while