[TRIGGER WARNING] how does religion exist in educated first world countries?

[Taciturn]

For instance?

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[Headcrab Zombie]

Humans need a god figure in order to feel confident about their choices or feel forgiveness for morally degrading actions.

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Maybe you need a god figure to feel confident in life, but that doesn't mean everyone does.
Also, a lot of these "morally degrading actions" are only morally degrading because your religion says it is. It's creating a problem just to give you a solution to a problem that didn't previously exist

Why does it even matter why religion still exists? There it is, accept it and move on.

It doesn't really matter that it exists, the problem is it doesn't just exist. People use is teachings to modify laws, science curriculums, etc, that affect people other than themselves, and in extreme cases, to justify murder. People can believe and do whatever they like as long as they're not pushing it on others

[Siren]

For instance?

The middle east, saudi arabia, I think russia has a pretty strong catholic viewpoint now and you know how aggressive they can be

[Nonnel]

People have nothing to lose by following a religion. Non-religious people are mostly misguided in their lack of faith. Keep in mind religion has been a part of human nature since the beginning of recorded history.

Because it was used to explain what couldn't be explained as well as to instill morals and general order onto people. We have ways of explaining things now and we can get rid of the old archaic ways that we guessed were correct

[Taciturn]

Okay, but religion or no, whoever is in charge is going to make rules that agree with their conscience, not that of whoever they rule.

Without God who is to say that murder is wrong? Certainly not the president, he's just some guy.

(Please note that I don't think murder is right. Also I'm not taking religion's side, I'm taking apathy's side)

The middle east, saudi arabia, I think russia has a pretty strong catholic viewpoint now and you know how aggressive they can be

Actually that's my bad, I was just thinking about the US when I spoke up.

[Headcrab Zombie]

Without God who is to say that murder is wrong? Certainly not the president, he's just some guy.

A sense of morality can be explained by natural selection: species that slaughter themselves don't exist because the ones that did wiped themselves out.

[Taciturn]

A sense of morality can be explained by natural selection: species that slaughter themselves don't exist because the ones that did wiped themselves out.

The same can be said about exclusive homoloveuality. Gay people are an evolutionary dead end.

Anyway now it definitely seems like I'm trying to pick sides so I'mma stop. My point is that I don't give a stuff either way.

[Siren]

That's exactly what democracy is for, democracy as it is right now is pretty flawed but it works better than monarchy does when exactly what you are implying happened, it was just kept within their religions boundaries.

Also if you read the bible, im sure it says that murder in situations is right

The same can be said about exclusive homoloveuality. Gay people are an evolutionary dead end.

Doesn't stop them from being productive members of society, and we live in a society that evolution is not equipped to deal with, it hasn't had enough time to catch up

[Drydess]

Without God who is to say that murder is wrong? Certainly not the president, he's just some guy.

Your own brain, most likely. If you committed three innocent murders and nobody knows about it, then just the mentality that three people with whole families that would die for them are dead would come to you. You'd either own up, commit Self Delete, or continue murdering but doing a poor job of hiding it, eventually getting caught.

[Epicduke]

The middle east, saudi arabia, I think russia has a pretty strong catholic viewpoint now and you know how aggressive they can be

do you mean eastern orthodox? there are barely any catholics in russia

[shitlord]

Without God who is to say that murder is wrong? Certainly not the president, he's just some guy.

[sir dooble]

Without God who is to say that murder is wrong? Certainly not the president, he's just some guy.

Most people know that killing a person is wrong, and is not pleasant.

It literally comes down to "would you like it if someone did that to you?".
The last thing you want someone to do to you is to murder you. So it's fair to say that it is very wrong to murder someone.

You don't need a god to tell you this. Or are you telling me that without god in your life you would go out and kill the first person you saw?

[Taciturn]

omfg that's actually beautiful.

[Siren]

do you mean eastern orthodox? there are barely any catholics in russia

Yeah, the main two catholic religions where I live is catholic and prodestant, which I knew wasnt the one I was looking for.

I'm pretty sure they have taken violence towards gays in russia partly or all to do with religious beliefs.

[Nonnel]

Goat rapist is worse than child molester?