POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[Conan]

i guess one way to look at it is assuming you're fluent in english and are 22-25, you need to have a doctorate in STEM topics, won a nobel prize, won an olympic medal, have a job giving you > $155k a year waiting for you, or have $1.8million+ you plan to invest, in order to immigrate to the US

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[Corderlain]

Sounds good to me.

[otto-san]

still interested in understanding the actual political philosophy behind the idea that the US should be so exclusive if you want to move in from outside. this is clearly quite a few steps further than you would go to implement counter-terrorist measures so i'm assuming there's more to this than that

[Deus Ex]

i mean, if the information provided is accurate it's not a terribly unreasonable thing to say

The RAISE Act replaces the current permanent employment-visa framework with a skills-based system that rewards applicants based on their individual merits.
The system rewards education, English-language ability, high-paying job offers, past achievements, and entrepreneurial initiative.
This system is similar to the merit-based immigration systems used by Canada and Australia.
The RAISE Act reduces overall immigration numbers to limit low-skilled and unskilled labor entering the United States.
The RAISE Act prioritizes immediate family members of United States residents, including spouses and minor children, but ends preferences for extended family members and adult children.
United States citizens needing to take care of elderly parents can receive renewable, temporary visas for them.
The RAISE Act eliminates the outdated Diversity Visa lottery system, which serves questionable economic and humanitarian interests.
The RAISE Act limits permanent resident status for refugees to 50,000 a year, in line with the 13-year average.

Taken from the whitehouse website because why would you trust anyone on either side to effectively break this down without spin
This isn't "you have to be rich and/or famous get in", this is "you need to be useful and not a drain on our economy" to get in. But no let's go for the EVIIIIIIL angle instead that sounds more fun

[Conan]

99% of us here would be unable to immigrate here, assuming we were old enough. what justifies keeping people like us out while not self-deporting ourselves from the country?

Taken from the whitehouse website because why would you trust anyone on either side to effectively break this down without spin
This isn't "you have to be rich and/or famous get in", this is "you need to be useful and not a drain on our economy" to get in. But no let's go for the EVIIIIIIL angle instead that sounds more fun

summaries don't reflect the actual rules of the law. i could say "this new policy will reduce drug crime and clean up our streets" and be referring to Rodrigo Duterte's drug policy.

not saying time's quiz is accurate though, i haven't had the time to actually check the bill myself

[SeventhSandwich]

This isn't "you have to be rich and/or famous get in", this is "you need to be useful and not a drain on our economy" to get in. But no let's go for the EVIIIIIIL angle instead that sounds more fun

So if this point scheme is an accurate estimate of whether you're a 'drain on the economy', and you yourself don't actually score enough to qualify, doesn't that mean you're basically admitting that you're a useless drain on the economy?

[Foxscotch]

Taken from the whitehouse website because why would you trust anyone on either side to effectively break this down without spin

you don't think the white house has any spin on this? lmfao

[otto-san]

Taken from the whitehouse website because why would you trust anyone on either side to effectively break this down without spin
This isn't "you have to be rich and/or famous get in", this is "you need to be useful and not a drain on our economy" to get in. But no let's go for the EVIIIIIIL angle instead that sounds more fun

p sure seventh's statement was about the actual nature of the bill rather than its intentions. if it's a legitimate honest attempt to make our immigration laws make sense, then i'm down for that, but if the points system in that time article is accurate to the bill, then i'm a bit concerned that it's far too strict.

[SeventhSandwich]

if it's a legitimate honest attempt to make our immigration laws make sense, then i'm down for that

It's not, which is why the Senate has already decided that they're not gonna vote on it. Plenty of Republicans think it's stupid too.

[Deus Ex]

99% of us here would be unable to immigrate here, assuming we were old enough. what justifies keeping people like us out while not self-deporting ourselves from the country?

So if this point scheme is an accurate estimate of whether you're a 'drain on the economy', and you yourself don't actually score enough to qualify, doesn't that mean you're basically admitting that you're a useless drain on the economy?

Sometimes I wonder if we're on the same planet
This is such a ridiculous path of logic to follow I can't even understand

[SeventhSandwich]

Sometimes I wonder if we're on the same planet

I don't follow. What are you saying here?

[Foxscotch]

Sometimes I wonder if we're on the same planet

if immigrants were subject to these requirements, why shouldn't you be?

[Deus Ex]

if immigrants were subject to these requirements, why shouldn't you be?

...Because I'm a natural born citizen you loving handicap what kind of dipstuff question is that

[Foxscotch]

...Because I'm a natural born citizen you loving handicap what kind of dipstuff question is that

it doesn't matter where you were born, if anyone who doesn't fit those criteria is a drain on the economy, how aren't you?

[SeventhSandwich]

This is such a ridiculous path of logic to follow I can't even understand

...Because I'm a natural born citizen you loving handicap what kind of dipstuff question is that

Think about this for like ten seconds: if this point system is an accurate measurement of whether a citizen will be a 'drain on the economy', then why aren't you a drain on the economy for not being able to pass it? Do you really think you're just as economically productive as a Nobel-prize winner/Ph.D/millionaire simply because you were born in the United States?

And if not, then why even use this point scheme? It's clearly just a cheap attempt to massively curtail immigration and curb more favor from hard-core anti-immigration activists. Even Annoying Orange is probably aware it won't pass.