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Or maybe Im a person just like you are and you're trying to tell me im more likely to murder someone. Do you not see an issue with this at all. You dont see darker skin people as equal. The difference between you and me is that i have melinen in my skin and i have physical features aclimated for warm weather.
I'm not talking about you at all.  I'm talking about statistics.  Probability.
What is your own personal likelihood of committing a murder or violent crime?  I have no way to gauge that for you personally.

I'm talking about the black race as a whole, as relating to statistical data.  Random samples.  Take statistics class.

So your saying that because of my skin color, im more likely and have more of a desire to murder some
That's not what he meant
But ofcouse, nobody wants to mention school shootings, or the crime of slavery, infact let go back in history.
Let's say, 20, school shootings happen a year (which is probably too nice of a statistic but oh well) how many black on x or black on black crime happen a year?
Where are thise native americans and used to populate the entire US? Oh! They were killed by white people.
Nobody alive today ever took part in the death of the Natives. I guess you have the same opinion about the Jews being fed to lions by the Romans
How about those poor enslaved people forced away from their families?
Ok, first, no black person in America living today was ever a slave. Second, be honest. Would you rather live in Africa or America?
How about those poor jews that were Flash Mobed by white skinned people.
Is some of the "Original sin some white people killed some non-white people" stuff?
Youre tribal, but this entire country was build off of slave labor, aka free labor.
No, he's not tribal. And by the way, you do realize the blacks who were slaves were mainly servants and farmers?
No one, no matter their skin color or physical features, are more prone to murder or any crime for that matter.
Tez's statistics clearly disprove your notion of "No race is more violent than any other race xdd"
Or maybe Im a person just like you are and you're trying to tell me im more likely to murder someone.
He's not loving saying that you dipstuff, he's saying black people (on average) commit crimes in rates that far exceed their population numbers

You're right about one thing -- I wouldn't discriminate against someone MERELY because their skin is black; however good indicator is may be.  I guess my overall point is that stereotypes exist for a reason.  There are always exceptions, that is just common sense.

But the bottom line is that there's no hiding from the evidence.  There's a problem, and it's tied to a culture strongly associated with the black race.
This is hard to believe seeing as you are have a bias against people of darker skin tone. You only see what you choose to see instead of accepting the full reality.

This is hard to believe seeing as you are have a bias against people of darker skin tone. You only see what you choose to see instead of accepting the full reality.
mind explaining to him what the "full reality" is then?

This is hard to believe seeing as you are have a bias against people of darker skin tone.
That's just not true. He hasn't implied that anywhere in his argument, nor has he really used any bias.
You only see what you choose to see instead of accepting the full reality.
This is exactly what you are doing. In other words, you're a hypocrite.

i feel this is somewhat relevent

Jitank is posting purely out of emotion and personal offense.  He is not interested in data or statistical brown townysis, he only wants to prove that he, himself, is subjectively an exception to a statistical trend.  That may very well be true, but it's not relevant to the post about the statistics of a population based on a large sample.


You're right about one thing -- I wouldn't discriminate against someone MERELY because their skin is black; however good indicator is may be.  I guess my overall point is that stereotypes exist for a reason.  There are always exceptions, that is just common sense.
Stereotypes do often come from statistics, but propagating those stereotypes and using them as a predictive tool is bad for society.

But the bottom line is that there's no hiding from the evidence.  There's a problem, and it's tied to a culture strongly associated with the black race.
Nobody is pretending like those statistics are false, but the central dogma of racism is that those statistics are because they're black, not because of the fact that black people have a different experience than whites.

I disagree with the usage of the word 'culture' because I feel like the implication is that culture comes about completely unaffected by the environment. Do you think maybe it's possible that the 'gangsta' culture comes from the fact that tons of black youth grew up in the 60s and 70s in cities full of organized crime? It seems pretty natural to me that poor youth would gravitate towards the people in society with money, women, and power.

That's not what he meantLet's say, 20, school shootings happen a year (which is probably too nice of a statistic but oh well) how many black on x or black on black crime happen a year?Nobody alive today ever took part in the death of the Natives. I guess you have the same opinion about the Jews being fed to lions by the RomansOk, first, no black person in America living today was ever a slave. Second, be honest. Would you rather live in Africa or America?Is some of the "Original sin some white people killed some non-white people" stuff?No, he's not tribal. And by the way, you do realize the blacks who were slaves were mainly servants and farmers?Tez's statistics clearly disprove your notion of "No race is more violent than any other race xdd"He's not loving saying that you dipstuff, he's saying black people (on average) commit crimes in rates that far exceed their population numbers
wtf is black on black crime? Thats such a stupid term. Since you wanna use this, what about white on white crime.

And there is no way you and justify slavery " oh they were just farmers and servants" what the forget do you know about slavery. Who the forget want to be pulled from their families? Who the forget wants to be rapped by a slave master. If someone snatch you up and took you to a farm to work, how would you feel? Put yourself in someone elses shoes.

wtf is black on black crime?
Have you seriously not even read what I posted? It shows you exactly what black on black crime is.  90% of black murders IS black on black crime.  

wtf is black on black crime? Thats such a stupid term. Since you wanna use this, what about white on white crime.
really
And there is no way you and justify slavery " oh they were just farmers and servants" what the forget do you know about slavery.
what the forget do you know about slavery
you weren't there to experience nor witness it
Who the forget want to be pulled from their families? Who the forget wants to be rapped by a slave master.
as of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
If someone snatch you up and took you to a farm to work, how would you feel? Put yourself in someone elses shoes.
but the africans that went to america were sold to the americans by other africans

jitank please stop while you're 200 meters behind
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Jitank is posting purely out of emotion and personal offense.  He is not interested in data or statistical brown townysis, he only wants to prove that he, himself, is subjectively an exception to a statistical trend.  That may very well be true, but it's not relevant to the post about the statistics of a population based on a large sample.
If youll go to about page 2 or 3, youll see that I pulled out some facts and statistics. Be right before you call someone out. What you fail to see is that the statistics are one thing. The one thing the statistics dont provide are the Social, Political, and economical situation that are causing people to commit these crimes.

jitank asked about white on white crime, so i decided to look at the FBI report and discovered that out of 3005 whites killed, 2509 of the murderers are white. thanks for leaving that statistic out, tezuni. i guess i should start stereotyping whites as well as blacks. im very confused on which race to stereotype now

source so you can view it for yourself and not be fed cherry picked statistics
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_love_of_vicitm_by_race_and_love_of_offender_2013.xls#disablemobile

what is black on black crime?  

Just told you bud, and you ignore it and ramble about alleged statistics you posted "on page 2 or 3" presumably weeks or days before our discussion began near page 30.  Fact of the matter is you can't defend a single point you make and keep jumping around in desperation.  Try using quotes if you actually posted any evidence of value.