Author Topic: Black Lives Matter hi-jacks orlando shooting morning ceremony.  (Read 100369 times)

Racism is a very intentional act. The saying "racism can be unintentional" is one that constantly irritates me
It can be a subconscious thing. An old lady might not outright believe that black people are dangerous, but her subconscious still drives her to clutch her purse a little bit harder when a black guy rounds the corner.

That being said, I've got a million times more sympathy for the people with the subconscious biases.

i think it's pretty easy to accept that, because it's pure statistical data. but it's just that: statistics. it ignores the factors that actually contribute to that figure. it assumes that crime is in a simple relationship with race, and that's obviously not the case. in reality, it's an incredibly complex issue that warrants much more discussion than simply "x people do more crimes, therefore they are more criminal." because everyone knows that people don't just commit crimes for no reason, crime happens as a response to people's intricate needs and desires. and it's baffling that someone would just ignore this myriad of factors just because it supports their prejudiced conclusion. tez seems to expect people to just accept these numbers as if the matter is as simple as that, but it isn't, and that's what the problem is.
this was what i was trying to say but didn't explain it a well as you have.

I'll interject my little bit on this, apologies for spelling and format errors I'm typing this pretty late, while I typed this 43 replies were made, sweet baby Jesus in a chicken basket, in light of this some things I mention in this post may have already been discussed, oh well i'll post it anyway-

The length and duration of slavery and the Jim Crow south has basically stacked almost all of American history against a Black American. 240 years of concerted and organized efforts to keep American blacks "In their place" is an issue which only until relatively recently has been taken on. The 50-60 years of progressive effort after this period simply isn't enough time to undo that entire 240 years of history.

When things like de facto-segregation (Segregation by a matter of fact, not a matter of law) of neighborhoods, disproportionate amount of poverty among blacks, and absolutely terrible public schooling in the inner city where many minorities live (this ties into de facto-segregation) continue to exist, the real racial divide in the United States can't really be fully fixed. Hear me out, I promise I am not a BLM apologist.

Don't get me wrong, great strides have been made over the past 50 years, but it has only been 50 years. There's still more work to be done, but the issue has faded from the public perception yet still exists and rears its ugly head when you see blacks often doing some really counter productive and down right destructive things, like violent rioting or in this case, hi-jacking a ceremony that should have been just that, a ceremony. On the flip side, black on black crime accounts for far too large of gun crime in the United States, yet the majority (For the most part white) turn a blind eye to the deaths of thousands, and the lives utterly ruined by said deaths. It's not just "ignorant blacks killing themselves." as people often proclaim, it's truly a deeper issue that has not been resolved. BLM, or should i say, the radical BLM members do say this, but they don't say it in any matter of productive way, and in fact use the issues in an extremely destructive manner that only deepens the rift.

The only way for the racial divide in America to be fixed is a concerted effort by both Blacks and Whites to reconcile the issues, however I feel and have been demonstrated that BLM often misses this message completely. The message of Martin Luther King wasn't "forget the white man and forget everybody who collaborates with him, forget all the other minority groups too because our issue is the one that needs hearing!", If that had been his message of MLK, chances are i'd still have to use a 'Colored' restroom to this day. On the flip side, whites must also make a concerted effort and try to understand blacks as Americans as well, Americans who often suffer more than them disproportionately, Americans who are often left with no options but the worst options in life, not entirely by a choice on their own, but because all the cards have been stacked against them. Black people aren't out to destroy you, like any peoples the general populace just want peace and prosperity in their life, but for many Blacks the general prosperity cannot be attained due to massive poverty. And please don't take this the wrong way, I'm not saying successful Blacks don't exist, there's an absolute ton of them, what i'm saying is there's is simply far too many in wide scale poverty.

 This makes things complex, and makes it an issue for both races. It's not a black problem, it's not a white problem, it's an American problem.

It's not about seeing people as categories and hard coded stereotypes, it is in the end about seeing people as people. I have an optimistic outlook on the future, I really truly believe things can get better, and America as a nation, white and black, can start healing one of it's oldest and more severe wounds once again.

That's basically my thoughts on these matters.

mkay because of slavery, Black Americans were placed on a lower than human level, similar to a gorilla in the zoo. As slavery went on, it was common believe that black people were intelligent and morally inferior to white people. A water down version of this ideology still exist today. Examples of this would be the face that black are incarcerated at a high level dispite overall committing less crimes than whites and being the minority 29%. A white criminal has a higher chance of being called in for an interveiw than a black person without a criminal record.
There's a logic leap so large here that even Evel Knievel wouldn't dare cross it.

So, in the slavery days black people were not treated as human but instead treated similar to gorillas, and then eventually white people thought black people were intelligent but didn't have good morals(?), and ever since the abolishment of slavery white people still hold to these beliefs (Stereotyping much? Didn't you say you were about that?) and the proof of this is that criminals are going to prison and some people employed criminals over free men on the basis of skin colour and not qualifications.

Is this your argument that you are seriously trying to sell?

I was making sort of a joke with the kid who fell in the gorrill pit thing but i guess it didnt convey the message how i wanted it to but never the less, black Americans were treated like animals.

There's a logic leap so large here that even Evel Knievel wouldn't dare cross it.

So, in the slavery days black people were not treated as human but instead treated similar to gorillas, and then eventually white people thought black people were intelligent but didn't have good morals(?), and ever since the abolishment of slavery white people still hold to these beliefs (Stereotyping much? Didn't you say you were about that?) and the proof of this is that criminals are going to prison and some people employed criminals over free men on the basis of skin colour and not qualifications.

Is this your argument that you are seriously trying to sell?
I really dont know how else i can explain myself, sorry.

The reason why I pull slavery into the conversation is because it still effects me today.
LOL WHAT

LOL WHAT
what's not to understand? he's saying that slavery has had long-reaching effects on society today

what's not to understand? he's saying that slavery has had long-reaching effects on society today
No, he was arguing that it directly affected him. Any possible feelings towards his entire race mean less to him than how he will be benefited. That's my deduction of what's not just happened in this thread, but in MULTIPLE threads going back at least a year (if not more, given the date his account was registered). I have a great recollection of this cunt and his previous "debates".

The truth is that Jitank is a Tumblr-Twat; he wants to find every possible measure that lets him point out how "disadvantaged" and "hard-pressed" he is to justify why his life is so bland and uneventful. The fact he's on this website, having bought a $10 key (wouldn't be surprised if this was an alt either) using the Internet to spit out his babble points to the fact he is fairly loving privileged, and his reliance on ridiculous sources comes from the fact he has no personal experiences to back up any of his assertions.

Any possible debate with him will be a lose/lose scenario and I've been a right cunt for continuing it; he'll claim anything and get emotionally charged as a means to back himself up whenever his arguments start falling apart.

So, in the slavery days black people were not treated as human but instead treated similar to gorillas, and then eventually white people thought black people were intelligent but didn't have good morals(?)
The earliest racism in the United States dates back to a practice in the 17th century where rich white landowners encouraged discrimination against blacks to allow lower-class whites a form of superiority that would make them less likely join forces with other racial groups and revolt against the rich. Historians refer to it as the racial bribe, and it predated slavery by several decades.

and ever since the abolishment of slavery white people still hold to these beliefs (Stereotyping much? Didn't you say you were about that?)
It wasn't quite that straightforward. Reconstruction temporarily improved racial relations before it was dissolved and all the Black Codes and Jim Crow era laws started to be passed. Not all white people were tribal after the end of slavery, but the government (especially Southern state governments) sure was.

the proof of this is that criminals are going to prison and some people employed criminals over free men on the basis of skin colour and not qualifications.
I don't know what Jitank is trying to say, but the prison system is hugely responsible for why black people aren't escaping poverty as quickly as they could be. The War on Drugs of the 80s saw a disproportionate amount of minorities sent to prison for disproportionately long sentences over drugs less potent than the ones used by rich white people. When they come out, they're labeled felons and can't get jobs, which usually results in them becoming career criminals that end up back in jail.

If you want an extremely telling example of why this is racially motivated, note this: at the height of Reagan's War on Drugs, possession of 1 gram of crack cocaine resulted in the same punishment as possession of 100 grams of regular cocaine, the only difference being that one is predominantly used by poor minority groups and the other by whites. As of 2010, the punishment is only 1:18, but that's not a whole lot better.

what's not to understand? he's saying that slavery has had long-reaching effects on society today
that was definitely NOT his point though lol


that was definitely NOT his point though lol
trying to figure out jitanks points is pretty tough considering that his posts are halfway incomprehensible. every time someone makes a point he agrees with its "you said that better than I can" so im just using those posts to figure out what he's trying to say.

I've been a right cunt for continuing it
good cunt or bad cunt

good cunt or bad cunt
The kind of cunt you'd encounter if you saw your Grandma naked in the shower.

The kind of cunt you'd encounter if you saw your Grandma naked in the shower.
thats one bad cunt