Author Topic: Are any people in America actually oppressed?  (Read 22891 times)

ok sure but maybe if so many black people actually had an income and didnt rely on welfare then that would be different hun
are you're saying the solution to raising the average income of black households is for black people to uh.,,,have a higher income?

He's right. All poor people are lazy. While waru lives in his parents basement, he still isn't poor and therefore is the hardest worker of all. We should all strive to be waru in life.

it's not like my family started rich. My great grandparents lived in a bus. A school bus with no wheels. They pooped in a bucket. My mom tells me stories about visiting them. The other side came to America from Serbia with $0 in their pockets and no formal education and they made a living for themselves. My generation will be the first one to go to college. Yet they're still successful. They have finer things in life, they didn't get special treatment because they were white, they didn't need handouts, right when their boots hit the ground they got a loving job.

I know that it doesn't apply to every situation, but I am positive that there is a notable number of poor people that would rather blame the system and others for keeping them down because they want the better life handed to them.

and you're right, I'm not poor. I am a white, upper middle class, soon to be educated male. I have everything going for me in life. The only thing that was "given" to me was a set of genes that absorbs more vitamin D.

it's not like my family started rich. My great grandparents lived in a bus. A school bus with no wheels. They pooped in a bucket. My mom tells me stories about visiting them. The other side came to America from Serbia with $0 in their pockets and no formal education and they made a living for themselves. My generation will be the first one to go to college. Yet they're still successful. They have finer things in life, they didn't get special treatment because they were white, they didn't need handouts, right when their boots hit the ground they got a loving job.

I know that it doesn't apply to every situation, but I am positive that there is a notable number of poor people that would rather blame the system and others for keeping them down because they want the better life handed to them.

and you're right, I'm not poor. I am a white, upper middle class, soon to be educated male. I have everything going for me in life. The only thing that was "given" to me was a set of genes that absorbs more vitamin D.
i understand what you're explaining and i have no doubt that its possible to go from rags to riches. All i'm saying is that the education system needs a lot of reforms. There are a lot of factors that define success in life, and its not just a black and white situation. Children ard one of the most vulnerable groups out there and the top priority should be creating a nurturing environment for them at all costs.

I personally dont know what school you or your grandparents went to but where i live there are schools that cant even afford an arts program or guidance counselors. Another major factor is the environment. If your grandparents were being oppressed as they tried to rebuild their lives after emigrating, then it would've been a lot more difficult. Maybe your serbian grandparents did arrive in god knows where and were still able to best all odds even while being treated like dirt. In that case i really dont know what to say.

This 'get off your ass and do something' mentality seems like a great message except its being directed towards elementary and middle school students who are still too young to actually comprehend long term goals and priorities. It doesnt really apply to high school or later because by then you've already been defined by your childhood environment. Its important to provide all the tools to the youth so that they actually have the opportunity to grow and stay mentally healthy.

This 'get off your ass and do something' mentality seems like a great message except its being directed towards elementary and middle school students who are still too young to actually comprehend long term goals and priorities. It doesnt really apply to high school or later because by then you've already been defined by your childhood environment.
and this "you're indefinitely defined by your childhood environment either enabling or disabling you to be successful" mentality is full of stuff. You acknowledge that it's not a black and white situation but you're still treating it like a black and white situation.

I have no clue what you're talking about when you say it's only being directed at elementary and middle school students when the most I've seen this stuff displayed has been in a high school environment, specifically in a high school environment, very little of it made it's way into middle school and practically none of it made it to elementary.

seriously knock this stuff off and quit blaming it on people's base environments, of course those define those people, but everything is subject to change, so growing up in a stuff household/neighborhood and having a bad education doesn't mean you can't be successful. But for you apparently it's very definitive and if you have had either of those things then you're guaranteed to failure.

and this "you're indefinitely defined by your childhood environment either enabling or disabling you to be successful" mentality is full of stuff. You acknowledge that it's not a black and white situation but you're still treating it like a black and white situation.

I have no clue what you're talking about when you say it's only being directed at elementary and middle school students when the most I've seen this stuff displayed has been in a high school environment, specifically in a high school environment, very little of it made it's way into middle school and practically none of it made it to elementary.

seriously knock this stuff off and quit blaming it on people's base environments, of course those define those people, but everything is subject to change, so growing up in a stuff household/neighborhood and having a bad education doesn't mean you can't be successful. But for you apparently it's very definitive and if you have had either of those things then you're guaranteed to failure.
You see, this mindset contradicts every scientific psychological study to ever exist. It's been scientifically proven in numerous studies that your childhood environment literally defines the rest of your life. The idea that you can break out of that is good in theory but requires a loving lot from the individual. It's almost impossible to exit the crippling environment that a lot of children have to go through, and many people actually never leave it.

Childhood trauma is a little too extreme a term to apply it to, but there are a lot of kids, such as myself and a bunch of my friends, that were constantly labeled trouble makers by the teachers or were called bad students just because we weren't excellent at Math or Science. This happened throughout elementary school and middle school, and as we all went to stuffty high schools later, it continued there. When you're told your entire life that you are bad at something, the chances of you adopting this nature are close to 100%. For proof look at the Doll Experiment

Calling the AC loveist because it's too cold is not a real problem.
Not being paid the same amount for your genitals is a real problem.

Theres a difference between wages and earnings, the reason why is because women tend to pursue jobs that pay less, and tend to work less hours because of taking care of children etc.

seriously knock this stuff off and quit blaming it on people's base environments, of course those define those people, but everything is subject to change, so growing up in a stuff household/neighborhood and having a bad education doesn't mean you can't be successful. But for you apparently it's very definitive and if you have had either of those things then you're guaranteed to failure.
what makes you think anything is "subject to change" if they already grew up in a bad environment, and have likely already done something that prevents them from ever leaving that bad environment and "changing?" (tip: nobody actually escapes the ghetto and integrates into society completely normally)

what makes you think anything is "subject to change" if they already grew up in a bad environment, and have likely already done something that prevents them from ever leaving that bad environment and "changing?" (tip: nobody actually escapes the ghetto and integrates into society completely normally)

nobody escapes the ghetto, once you're in the life, you can't get out the life, the only way you end up getting out is death, or moving countries.

You see, this mindset contradicts every scientific psychological study to ever exist. It's been scientifically proven in numerous studies that your childhood environment literally defines the rest of your life.
studies oh cool where they at because I don't see any

The idea that you can break out of that is good in theory but requires a loving lot from the individual. It's almost impossible to exit the crippling environment that a lot of children have to go through, and many people actually never leave it.
so all of my incredibly poor mexican friends who have jobs and a stable income despite being from a forgeted household aren't real then I guess.

myself and a bunch of my friends, that were constantly labeled trouble makers by the teachers or were called bad students just because we weren't excellent at Math or Science. This happened throughout elementary school and middle school, and as we all went to stuffty high schools later, it continued there. When you're told your entire life that you are bad at something, the chances of you adopting this nature are close to 100%.
Exactly the same thing happened to me, I've always been garbage at math and science and was labeled a trouble maker but I don't see the significance of that, despite all of those things I still have a decent income and a stable life.

Oh yeah, not to mention when growing up both of my parents were complete drunks who only had screaming matches and threw stuff at each other, that was the environment I grew up in, yet despite growing up in such a stuffty environment of alcoholism and anger and poverty, I somehow have managed to become an incredibly decent person with very good morals and as previously mentioned a stable job and stable income, along with my parents sobering up almost completely, to the point where my mom stopped drinking altogether, and now they're the best loving parents I could've asked for.

before you bring those studies to me, check where they were conducted, for how long they were conducted and how many families/environments they were conducted in, because these claims of yours still continue to reek of absolute bullstuff.

what makes you think anything is "subject to change" if they already grew up in a bad environment, and have likely already done something that prevents them from ever leaving that bad environment and "changing?" (tip: nobody actually escapes the ghetto and integrates into society completely normally)
because everything is subject to change, it's not an opinion or anything, it's scientific fact down to the core of existence, nothing is definitive and never will be completely definitive because everything is subject to change.

and what is normal to you then, Poli? Because rich kids never integrate normally with them and their stuff attitudes and expectations because they've been taught that they get whatever they want, and kids from the ghetto never integrate normally because they've been taught violence and self-loathing, but even then those two aspects don't represent every kid in every one of those crowds.

it's not like my family started rich. My great grandparents lived in a bus. A school bus with no wheels. They pooped in a bucket. My mom tells me stories about visiting them. The other side came to America from Serbia with $0 in their pockets and no formal education and they made a living for themselves. My generation will be the first one to go to college. Yet they're still successful. They have finer things in life, they didn't get special treatment because they were white, they didn't need handouts, right when their boots hit the ground they got a loving job.

I know that it doesn't apply to every situation, but I am positive that there is a notable number of poor people that would rather blame the system and others for keeping them down because they want the better life handed to them.

and you're right, I'm not poor. I am a white, upper middle class, soon to be educated male. I have everything going for me in life. The only thing that was "given" to me was a set of genes that absorbs more vitamin D.
To be fair, though, the last couple generations didn't need an education to find work. As long as they had two working hands, they could find loads of work.

I'm oppressed by the patriarchy. I emailed the casting director for the Harry Potter movies 531 times last month and told her she was bullied into casting a male for the role of Harry Potter by the male producers and that she should retroactively replace him in all the movies with a fat gay trans woman of color but all she did was send me a cease and desist. >:( Obviously a MAN told her to send me that, so I am starting a petition to raise awareness. The patriarchy cannot be allowed to take away our more perfect and pure vision for Harry Potter!

so all of my incredibly poor mexican friends who have jobs and a stable income despite being from a forgeted household aren't real then I guess.
It's almost impossible

because everything is subject to change, it's not an opinion or anything, it's scientific fact down to the core of existence, nothing is definitive and never will be completely definitive because everything is subject to change.
studies oh cool where they at because I don't see any

you can't make fake deep 'i-took-an-intro-level-philosophy-class' half-truths and then not explain how that could possibly apply to the situation at hand. do you have any sources proving that humans will change their entire mindset at some point and leap out of the ghetto with their newfound courage? any reasonable evidence that it's guaranteed for people to change their minds that drastically, even with the same forces acting on them?
and what is normal to you then, Poli? Because rich kids never integrate normally with them and their stuff attitudes and expectations because they've been taught that they get whatever they want, and kids from the ghetto never integrate normally because they've been taught violence and self-loathing, but even then those two aspects don't represent every kid in every one of those crowds.
i'm saying that kids quite literally get ptsd or a plethora of other mental disorders that hamper their ability to fit in with a society primarily structured for non-mentally ill people. you don't see a man get beat to death and shot and leave it behind unscathed.
so all of my incredibly poor mexican friends who have jobs and a stable income despite being from a forgeted household aren't real then I guess.
uh
are they "incredibly poor" or do they "have jobs and a stable income"?

i'm assuming you mean they grew up poor, but individual cases of success are still the minority of cases in the poverty cycle. sure, maybe 1 out of 10 kids gets out, but does that mean the other 9 kids just didnt try hard enough?

before you bring those studies to me, check where they were conducted, for how long they were conducted and how many families/environments they were conducted in, because these claims of yours still continue to reek of absolute bullstuff.
dude what. the only thing you've provided are anecdotes and your telling others to carefully select studies as evidence...

studies oh cool where they at because I don't see any

http://www.abstractsonline.com/plan/ViewAbstract.aspx?cKey=7b3e8587-f590-4d94-ae3f-e050d52e8488&mID=2964&mKey=%7b70007181-01C9-4DE9-A0A2-EEBFA14CD9F1%7d&sKey=734b1ccd-cfcf-4394-a945-083ca58f8033
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Evidence from animal models suggests that the early environment has long-term consequences on later cognitive functioning and brain development.

http://www.abstractsonline.com/plan/ViewAbstract.aspx?mID=2964&sKey=734b1ccd-cfcf-4394-a945-083ca58f8033&cKey=049d5a9e-4ff9-4541-9072-05911a9a7fd8&mKey=70007181-01c9-4de9-a0a2-eebfa14cd9f1
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Childhood socioeconomic status (SES) is associated with disparities in executive function performance, and SES differences have been observed in measures of prefrontal cortical function

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To separate [African-American children] from others of similar age and qualifications solely because of their race generates a feeling of inferiority as to their status in the community that may affect their hearts and minds in a way unlikely ever to be undone.
http://irows.ucr.edu/cd/courses/232/pyke/intracopp.pdf


There have literally been 60 years of study on how environment affects the adolescent brain and all studies have concluded that traumatizing and unhealthy environments generally lead to unhealthy habits and lifestyles. Your mexican friends or whoever you decide to hang around do not represent the entire million demographic of young black teens and minorities who are segregated into poorly maintained schools.