The shifting politics of inequality and the class ceiling

[Johnimiester]

nice strawman

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[Juncoph]

(Not to mention, free under Communism)

Mao and Stalin were dictators.

literally not a strawman. he's pulling the antifa-tier no true scotsman bullstuff.

meanwhile, you took something that nobody actually talked about in this thread - socialism in the most general sense possible - and tried to say that i said it does not work. show me where i said this.

[Johnimiester]

literally not a strawman. he's pulling the antifa-tier no true scotsman bullstuff.

meanwhile, you took something that nobody actually talked about in this thread - socialism in the most general sense possible - and tried to say that i said it does not work. show me where i said this.

The second image demonstrated that are a great variety of different far-left Socialist ideologies with different views on state control, methods of organization, and even which thinkers they were influenced by (although this is not to say that they do not share similarities in at least some regard). The differences between said ideologies are significant enough so that a comparison wouldn't be a matter of mere subtleties and differences in opinion but rather more like a comparison between apples and oranges.

[Juncoph]

The second image demonstrated that are a great variety of different far-left Socialist ideologies with different views on state control, methods of organization, and even which thinkers they were influenced by (although this is not to say that they do not share similarities in at least some regard). The differences between said ideologies are significant enough so that a comparison wouldn't be a matter of simple ideological purity but rather more like a comparison between apples and oranges.

what the forget are you even on about? how is the diversity of the far left relevant to communism in particular having a disproportionately bloody track record comparable to fascist regimes?

[16-Bit]

unless you are a safe, small country with little use in global politics, true communism can't survive in a global capitalist economic world

[PhantOS]

i dont understand why nobody wants a mixed economy. all people want is either enslave the rich or enslave the poor

why not enslave all at the same time? capitalism works

[DestroyerOfBlocks]

comparable to fascist regimes?

not going to lie world war 2 was pretty bad

[HellHound]

i dont understand why nobody wants a mixed economy. all people want is either enslave the rich or enslave the poor

why not enslave all at the same time? capitalism works

isnt this just socialist fascism

[Juncoph]

i dont understand why nobody wants a mixed economy.

this is actually specifically what i want. corporations cannot be expected to protect the people, and a state with the ability to act like a corporation (an early-stage communist regime) is just a corporation that publicly writes the laws. communism relies on the idea of a state that prepares for a shift, but part of the preparations involve creating a totalitarian state that is allowed to wage terror on dissenters. this isn't stalinism. this marxist-leninism. the state must fear the people, and the corporations must fear the state. to gain the peoples' favor is to ward off the state, and thus the balance between socialism and capitalism is found.

not going to lie world war 2 was pretty bad

yeah, it was. doesn't justify post-war atrocities done by the communist regimes, though. nor does it justify atrocities done by the CIA, before anyone tries to strawman me on that too

[PhantOS]

isnt this just socialist fascism

its a little bit of everything and that's why it works. just take the good out of socialism, communism, fascism and libertarianism and you got a perfectly balanced and regulated system where everyone has opportunity and safety regardless of their social status

[Rally]

You seem to be misinformed on the true cost of living upkeep. Artificially created value and the predatory adjusting of prices would have our society believe that a bottle of life-saving medicine, for example, really is worth $100+. The reality of the matter, however, reveals the true nature of how inexpensive, monetarily and labor-wise, it is to guarantee the right to healthcare.

You dodged the point entirely and hit me with some half-assed marxist copypasta. Typical commie.

[Red Spy]

where everyone has opportunity and safety regardless of their social status

this sounds like capitalism

[Juncoph]

let me be clear - end-stage communism is a ~wonderful~ concept. literally biblical love thy neighbour style stuff. the problem is, it's impossible to create a system that gets us there without making the utopia into a dystopia. denying history will only end in history repeating itself.

[PhantOS]

this sounds like capitalism

well there's a spectrum of capitalism. you have unregulated capitalism, which was essentially 1800s child labor. you have regulated capitalism, which i guess you could consider communism to be part of. then you have mixed economy, which is a perfect balance of both, where regulations are set for mutual benefit of workers, civilians, and businesses. Right now the US is somewhat tilted towards the unregulated side

deregulate capitalism for too long and the opportunists will seize control and turn it into the other side, regulated capitalism. stay regulated for too long and people will rise up and fight against it, trying to turn it into some pseudo libertarian deregulated capitalism again. ideally, a mixed economy will adapt to current events, ie will become more regulated during wartime, unregulated during peacetime, which is why it's the most versatile and sustainable

[Juncoph]

which i guess you could consider communism to be part of.

nyet, comrade. communism is demonstrably awful at money. even lenin had to give in to capitalism because his handicapped ideology couldn't support a large country's economy