Charlottesville protests thread

[Drydess]

i support the electoral college, its not perfect but it's surely better than just the citizens vote

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[PhantOS]

how can one even equate owning slaves to believing in black nationalism? are black people just worth so little in your mind that owning them against their will is a petty crime? is expressing your beliefs suddenly worse than the former?

[Count]

Can we all just agree that national socialists are bad and direct all this hate toward the terrorist? the amount of devils advocateness I've seen today is astonishing tbh.

[PhantOS]

the white knights have arrived

[ultimamax]

hey let's remove any and all statues of Nelson Mandela while we're at it, after all he was a literal domestic terrorist
or maybe Malcolm X, too, he was a rather touchy guy

Except Nelson Mandela and Malcolm X were fighting for a cause that was ultimately righteous, even if you disagree with their methods.

Disavowing kool kids klub/Stormfronters won't make them stop doing what they're doing. They're vilified by most of society but don't seem to care.

Loretta Lynch literally called for "blood in the streets" after the election but nobody cared.

A rabid Sanders supporter attempts to murder GOP congressmen at a baseball practice and it's never a question of political ideology

But for whatever reason, supporting the first amendment equates to "Annoying Orange is emboldening tribals and promoting violence"

Offensive speech is still protected with some exceptions. Disagreeing with these groups but refusing to strip them of their first amendment rights apparently is the same as being a member of them, the way some people make it sound.

Okay but it doesn't matter if disavowing them won't make them stop, the fact is they feel empowered by how he speaks when he talks about them.

No, Loretta Lynch didn't do that.

Probably because there isn't really a pattern of Bernie Sanders supporters killing people. (And no, you can't just point to antifa and pretend they support Bernie Sanders)

No one brought up the first amendment.

[Tactical Nuke]

im sure removing a statue will permanently erase robet e lee from all history textbooks and nobody will ever remember his name or what he did
the statue isn't being removed because of his beliefs. it's being removed because he owned human beings. malcolm x didn't own white people. he didn't oppress white people. he just advocated an independent state, followed nation of islam until he eventually broke away from it because he didn't like their teachings

loving try harder

malcolm x is by no means the worst human being ever
I could however point to about a million other leftist fan favorites who deserve their statues being taken down like those statues of Saddam Hussein in baghdad

you can also close your eyes and go into the town square of an old community, spin in a couple of circles and point at the first statue you see and that guy will have owned slaves, so this idea that Lee should be removed for "owning people" is just weak

[PhantOS]

i personally think that any statue of someone who owned human beings intentionally should be torn down.

so this idea that Lee should be removed for "owning people" is just weak

why are you putting "owning people" in quotations? you know he re-enslaved a group of slaves who were supposed to be free by their contract but instead decided to renew the contract and continue owning them. and later when the slaves complained that they were supposed to be free, he turned them into the police and had like 10 of them shipped somewhere else

he literally owned people. he was a slave owner. there's no justification for it at all. if he singlehandedly donated a billion dollars to all the poor people in the world he'd still be a stupid stuffhead for owning slaves. what's 'weak' is that you're attempting to justify all this bullstuff simply because there are other (non-existant) liberal fan favorites that are somehow worse than him.

[IkeTheGeneric]

I could however point to about a million other leftist fan favorites who deserve their statues being taken down like those statues of Saddam Hussein in baghdad

what kind of leftist fan favorites are you thinking about that are somehow comparable to saddam hussein

[Magus]

i personally think that any statue of someone who owned human beings intentionally should be torn down.

That might be going a little far, considering who that includes.

Among many others.

[Tactical Nuke]

what kind of leftist fan favorites are you thinking about that are somehow comparable to saddam hussein

https://www.google.com/search?q=karl+marx&rlz=2C1KMZA_enUS0537US0545&oq=karl+marx&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i61j69i59j0l3.14342j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=2C1KMZA_enUS0537US0545&q=fidel+castro&oq=fidel+castro&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i67k1j0i20k1j0i67k1j0.15459.17464.0.17839.12.12.0.0.0.0.123.1202.8j4.12.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.12.1198...35i39k1j0i131k1j0i46i67k1j46i67k1.a0UmFPMsgRs
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=2C1KMZA_enUS0537US0545&q=che+guevara&oq=che+gre&gs_l=psy-ab.1.1.0j0i10k1l3.10278.11622.0.13445.9.8.1.0.0.0.141.855.4j4.8.0.foo%2Cnso-ehuqi%3D1%2Cnso-ehuui%3D1%2Cewh%3D0%2Cnso-mplt%3D2%2Cnso-enksa%3D0%2Cnso-enfk%3D1%2Cnso-usnt%3D1%2Cnso-qnt-npqp%3D0-1633%2Cnso-qnt-npdq%3D0-5608%2Cnso-qnt-npt%3D0-1229%2Cnso-qnt-ndc%3D2051%2Ccspa-dspm-nm-mnp%3D0-06145%2Ccspa-dspm-nm-mxp%3D0-153625%2Cnso-unt-npqp%3D0-1506%2Cnso-unt-npdq%3D0-4694%2Cnso-unt-npt%3D0-061%2Cnso-unt-ndc%3D300%2Ccspa-uipm-nm-mnp%3D0-007625%2Ccspa-uipm-nm-mxp%3D0-053375...0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.9.864...35i39k1j0i67k1j0i46i67k1j46i67k1j0i131k1j0i20k1.t9UdgTWTmto
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=2C1KMZA_enUS0537US0545&q=hugo+chavez&oq=hugo+chavez&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i131k1j0l3.13362.16343.0.16525.13.12.1.0.0.0.119.1203.7j5.12.0.foo%2Cnso-ehuqi%3D1%2Cnso-ehuui%3D1%2Cewh%3D0%2Cnso-mplt%3D2%2Cnso-enksa%3D0%2Cnso-enfk%3D1%2Cnso-usnt%3D1%2Cnso-qnt-npqp%3D0-1633%2Cnso-qnt-npdq%3D0-5608%2Cnso-qnt-npt%3D0-1229%2Cnso-qnt-ndc%3D2051%2Ccspa-dspm-nm-mnp%3D0-06145%2Ccspa-dspm-nm-mxp%3D0-153625%2Cnso-unt-npqp%3D0-1506%2Cnso-unt-npdq%3D0-4694%2Cnso-unt-npt%3D0-061%2Cnso-unt-ndc%3D300%2Ccspa-uipm-nm-mnp%3D0-007625%2Ccspa-uipm-nm-mxp%3D0-053375...0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.13.1209...35i39k1j0i20k1j0i10k1.uCdy2k2T0bo

idk why the links are as long as they are but yeah

[IkeTheGeneric]

those arent leftist fan favorites

[IkeTheGeneric]

also three isn't a million

[Red Spy]

i personally think that any statue of someone who owned human beings intentionally should be torn down.

so we should take down statues of pretty much everybody famous before 1870

madison is bae

[PhantOS]

the history erasing excuse is bullstuff considering textbooks and web archives exist.

the 'there are worse people than him and you aren't complaining' excuse is also bullstuff because there are people worse than him and im also complaining about them too

stop making all these half assed excuses and just be transparent and say 'hey i'm okay with a slave owner with no redeeming qualities being kept around as a glorified statue'

Among many others.

they are influential people but they're not good people by any means. alexander the great was an influential figure that people don't keep loving glorifying busts of lying around because he also loving executed thousands of civilians whenever he conquered them

there are definitely statues and paintings in museums and other educational/historical sites, and it'd be fine if the robert e lee statue were moved to a museum for educational purposes

so we should take down statues of pretty much everybody famous before 1870

i agree. we need to remove those harriet tubman statues too.

[Tactical Nuke]

those arent leftist fan favorites

should I pull out my treasure trove of lefties praising each of them after they die (the last three at least)

also three isn't a million

it's a figure of speech you dip

the history erasing excuse is bullstuff considering textbooks and web archives exist.

you heard'em guys, start taking apart the internment camps, we've got textbooks after all