Catalonia's independence movement died before it started

[Red Spy]

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[Ceist]

srsly tho, catalonia doesn't deserve independence. there are legitimate reasons behind why they don't.

one reason i find it unacceptable is because balkanization is disgusting.

[Red Spy]

i agree slavs are disgusting

[TristanLuigi]

srsly tho, catalonia doesn't deserve independence. there are legitimate reasons behind why they don't.

one reason i find it unacceptable is because balkanization is disgusting.

there's a difference between "should be independent" and "have the right to be independent"
i think catalonia has the right to independence if they so wish (and they do, as the referendum is evidence of), hence why I support it
but on the whole I'm not sure if it would actually be beneficial to them

[SWAT One]

The thing which legitimized it in my mind was the use of police force to suppress a vote. Whether it was a legitimate vote or not does not have any bearing that the Spanish government did not want the vote to pass or to hear any results on the matter and went to brutalizing its own citizens instead. If they just said "no" and sent out peacekeeping forces to prevent violence and property damage only and regardless declared direct rule, then I see no problem. Is it "fair"? To some, yes, and to some, no. It's the usage of force that legitimizes the vote and a rebellion should it come.

[beachbum111111]

CUCKALONIA BTFO!!!

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oops! no independance

[Renderman In A Bowl]

D I R E C T R U L E F R O M M A D R I D

[Planr]

the Spanish government: now demonstrating the definition of tyrrany

[TristanLuigi]

the Spanish government: now demonstrating the definition of tyrrany

they're just defending democracy and the rule of law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

D I R E C T R U L E F R O M M A D R I D

are you using kaiserreich memes

[Red Spy]

they're just defending democracy and the rule of law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yes

[beachbum111111]

the Spanish government: now demonstrating the definition of tyrrany

The weak should fear the strong

[Ceist]

there's a difference between "should be independent" and "have the right to be independent"
i think catalonia has the right to independence if they so wish (and they do, as the referendum is evidence of), hence why I support it
but on the whole I'm not sure if it would actually be beneficial to them

They have the right to independence if they can earn it. It's quite clear their parent government, Spain, is not keen on letting them go. As Kearn stated, the referendum held in Catalonia is illegal, per the Spanish constitution and the agreement signed sum 40 years ago.

If Catalonia can earn their independence, however it may be, then they will be welcomed into the world. Such is the way with all nations that have arisen, past or present.

Opinion wise, I think what Spain has done thus far is too extreme, while brutalizing and beating Catalans is morally wrong and is only going to alienate them, they have a right to react towards a state that is trying to secede. Catalonia is only going to hurt itself however if they manage to gain independence.

[TristanLuigi]

They have the right to independence if they can earn it.

And how do you propose Catalans "earn" it? Through violence? They have a right to independence if they want it. Full stop. You don't have to earn rights.

As Kearn stated, the referendum held in Catalonia is illegal, per the Spanish constitution and the agreement signed sum 40 years ago.

So what? The law is not always right.

If Catalonia can earn their independence, however it may be, then they will be welcomed into the world. Such is the way with all nations that have arisen, past or present.

Again, what do you mean by "earn"?

They have the right to independence if they can earn it. It's quite clear their parent government, Spain, is not keen on letting them go. As Kearn stated, the referendum held
Opinion wise, I think what Spain has done thus far is too extreme, while brutalizing and beating Catalans is morally wrong and is only going to alienate them, they have a right to react towards a state that is trying to secede. Catalonia is only going to hurt itself however if they manage to gain independence.

Let's stop trying to rationalize brutality. Spain does NOT have a right to react this way. Spain is a state - they have no rights above that of people.

[Foxscotch]

The weak should fear the strong

coming from a canadian
heh

also shouldn't the alt right love secession? so inconsistent