Catalonia's independence movement died before it started

[beachbum111111]

Even Kimon wasn't this insufferable

I'm wondering if he gave Kimon his account.

Are you willing to argue that these things are qualitatively equivalent to languages and cultures like Catalan?

Oh so what should qualify as an independent nation is based on your subjective, arbitrary idea of what you think a nation should be? Why does this even matter to you anyway? You want to federalize the EU, you should want less sovereign nations, not more.

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[TristanLuigi]

i'm using your exact definitions!!! you didn't have a quantitative threshold for it

is new york city allowed to secede? is each neighborhood in nyc allowed to secede? how many secessions can you have? are you in favor of a billion city states?

Fine. "An area with a culture and national identity distinct from the surrounding areas." Many Catalans identify as Catalans, not Spaniards; I would think most New Yorkers see themselves as Americans before New Yorkers.

Or, if you're going to continue being pedantic, how about 20 000 square kilometers?

Oh so what should qualify as an independent nation is based on your subjective, arbitrary idea of what you think a nation should be? Why does this even matter to you anyway? You want to federalize the EU, you should want less sovereign nations, not more.

I would never argue that nations should be forcibly federalized. If they don't want to participate, they don't have to.

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The south will rise again with the help of AP Econ students

[beachbum111111]

I would never argue that nations should be forcibly federalized. If they don't want to participate, they don't have to.

Funny since you are completely against brexit

[TristanLuigi]

Funny since you are completely against brexit

Yes, I'm against it in that I think it's a bad idea. But they have the right to leave the EU.

[Kearn]

Or, if you're going to continue being pedantic, how about 20 000 square kilometers?

if andorra and luxembourg were annexed by france would they not meet your standards of having the "right" to secede?

[beachbum111111]

Yes, I'm against it in that I think it's a bad idea. But they have the right to leave the EU.

And the Confederate States had the right to secede from the United States

[TristanLuigi]

if andorra and luxembourg were annexed by france would they not meet your standards of having the "right" to secede?

Oh jesus.
Alright, there's obviously a distinct difference between Catalan and Spanish culture, and not nearly such a distinct difference between Phoenix and the broader United States. I'm not a sociologist, I can't provide you with a robust definition.

[Kearn]

if new mexico becomes 51% mexican do you think they have the right to secede and become a mexican state?

[beachbum111111]

if new mexico becomes 51% mexican do you think they have the right to secede and become a mexican state?

you know what his answer is

[Foxscotch]

if new mexico becomes 51% mexican do you think they have the right to secede and become a mexican state?

isn't that like exactly what you would want

[Red Spy]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/27/europe/catalonia-independence-spain/index.html

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Freedom is a myth.

[Red Spy]

Freedom is a myth.

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[beachbum111111]

Freedom is a myth.

Freedom is slavery