Is Communism the worst? Or national socialistsm is the worst?

[Planr]

and under communism, if they were caught growing and withholding food for themselves without the knowledge of the state, they'd get gulag'd

no, nothing happened to them. the communist state doesn't care if you have a small backyard vegetable garden, plus they lived in a rural area where there wasn't super-heavy ussr influence.

that's the difference between a negligent dictatorship and a genocidal dictatorship. one simply doesn't care, and the other "cares" far too much.

keep in mind this was not deep central USSR, this was communist poland as occupied by the USSR. it did suck bad but they did not round up people for something as insignificant as having a backyard garden.

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[Rockinboy2000]

wheres the both option

[IkeTheGeneric]

The intention of both concentration camps and gulags was that political enemies/ "undesirable" people sent there would die there. What point are you trying to make?

The point I'm trying to make is that you're full of stuff, and lo and behold I was right.

[Planr]

cappy's comments and grasp on oppressive dicatorships/Flash Mob are just as ridiculous as his comments on net neutrality. i kind of wonder if he just takes the wrong side just for the thrill of the challenge of supporting such a dumb position.

[Cappytaino]

no, nothing happened to them. the communist state doesn't care if you have a small backyard vegetable garden, plus they lived in a rural area where there wasn't super-heavy ussr influence.

that's the difference between a negligent dictatorship and a genocidal dictatorship. one simply doesn't care, and the other "cares" far too much.

keep in mind this was not deep central USSR, this was communist poland as occupied by the USSR. it did suck bad but they did not round up people for something as insignificant as having a backyard garden.

you're right, they were too busy starving the Ukranians to go looking for gardens.

cappy's comments and grasp on oppressive dicatorships/Flash Mob are just as ridiculous as his comments on net neutrality

The point I'm trying to make is that you're full of stuff, and lo and behold I was right.

keep going with the argumentum ad lapidem/ad hominem

[Zotron]

both alone are bad, but the USSR in the 80s was nowhere nearly as bad as national socialistsm. Now reign under Stalin is different   

[IkeTheGeneric]

keep going with the argumentum ad lapidem/ad hominem

stop strawmanning me, stufflord!

[Cappytaino]

The point I'm trying to make is that you're full of stuff, and lo and behold I was right.

Argumentum ad lapidem (Latin: "appeal to the stone") is a logical fallacy that consists in dismissing a statement as absurd without giving proof of its absurdity.

[Renderman In A Bowl]

stop strawmanning me, stufflord!

Mental handicapation

[Khaz]

ike you could use some supporting statements followed by "you're full of stuff" (would be appreciable by all)

but honestly at the same time cappy's reasoning and stance is so flawed that it's kind of hard to take him serious and actually make an unnecessary effort in saying why (which has been done already)

[IkeTheGeneric]

Argumentum ad lapidem (Latin: "appeal to the stone") is a logical fallacy that consists in dismissing a statement as absurd without giving proof of its absurdity.

You've already reached an absurd stance on something that everyone else has more than sufficiently reached a consensus on. Why would I waste my time giving you proof of your absurdity?

[Kearn]

trying to argue which ideology responsible for millions of deaths is better because x ideology killed them for reason a while y ideology killed them for reason b is pretty pointless, because at the end of the day you still have millions of corpses

the reasons for that really are meaningless beyond whatever moral debate you want to have over it because ultimately you still have a pile of corpses. it doesn't really matter so much how you got to that point as it does the fact that you're at that point to begin with

ultimately this whole trash fire comes down to "x is better than y because x killed 10 million people this way and this way is inherently better than the way y killed 10 million people" as if the fact that both killed 10 million people is irrelevant and the means is the only thing that matters

fascism doesn't necessarily have to have an internal genocide of its own populace and communism doesn't necessarily have to have mass political purges and the massacre and genocide of religious populations and intellectuals. who cares. both systems have killed millions of people at the end of the day.

[SeventhSandwich]

based kearn :)

[Electrk..]

Mental handicapation

you suffer from it if you think he's being serious

[IkeTheGeneric]

The only conclusion to reach here is that calling communism and national socialistsm equally terrible is kinda dumb. They're both two separate kinds of stuff for entirely different reasons.

But another thing to point out that calling them equal isn't that different from saying they're both stuff but in a different way, so no harm no foul. The dumb stuff sets in when people try to say one's worse than the other and then tries to explain why.