[INT. NEWS] Alfie Evans dead

[thegoodperry]

Uh, I don't think that I'd want a doctor to choose whether or not he decides to take me off life support, and not my loved ones and family who know me far better. That doesn't sounds moral whatsoever.

It costs a lot of money to keep people on life support. if that source of income runs out, doctors have no choice but to remove the patient off life support, especially if its obvious that the patient will stay on life support indefinitely

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[bloody jumper]

It costs a lot of money to keep people on life support. if that source of income runs out, doctors have no choice but to remove the patient off life support, especially if its obvious that the patient will stay on life support indefinitely

The problem I have with it isn't monetary, I can understand that they'd be an economic burden, I'm sure everyone can. It's the fact that people who don't know or have any attachment to the person they are treating are the ones to decide whether a patient lives or dies, and not the people who know them best, and would better understand what he/she would want. It doesn't sounds moral, or fair to loved ones.

[thegoodperry]

The problem I have with it isn't monetary, I can understand that they'd be an economic burden, I'm sure everyone can. It's the fact that people who don't know or have any attachment to the person they are treating are the ones to decide whether a patient lives or dies, and not the people who know them best, and would better understand what he/she would want. It doesn't sounds moral, or fair to loved ones.

It would also be immoral and unfair if someone in the next operating room down was denied surgery to remove a bullet in their heart because the hospital ran out of funds keeping braindead people on life support constantly. That person, once operated on, could recover and continue living as a human being. the braindead patient could not. obviously the priority is to save money for people who need life-saving operations, not keep people who are basically non-functional legally alive indefinitely because loved ones want them to.

I'm sure there's some system somewhere where surrogates can pay for life support if they want to, but otherwise the use of life support is on the hospital's bill, and they can't keep it running forever

[SeventhSandwich]

While not technically brain dead (as far as I've read online), Alfie has a progressive, fatal neurodegenerative disease that has killed off most of his brain tissue. Even in the unlikely event that he survives his infections and disease progression halts, all of that damage is permanent and he has zero chance of living life in any kind of non-vegetative fashion.

It is morally objectionable to sustain a human being in this state - the life support should have been withdrawn far earlier.

[beachbum111111]

The weak should fear the strong.

[Foxscotch]

what a great system

yeah well considering the alternative is "be rich or die"

[Tactical Nuke]

It is morally objectionable to sustain a human being in this state - the life support should have been withdrawn far earlier.

"it is morally questionable to decide to not kill a baby"

yeah well considering the alternative is "be rich or die"

good point

everyone regardless of wealth should die if some faceless government guy says they should

[Conan]

good point

everyone regardless of wealth should die if some faceless government guy says they should

the doctors who deemed the infant unsaveable arent faceless. the government just dictates policy based on the doctor’s prescription/diagnosis. doctors know their government policy well too, so its not like they dont know that their diagnosis will leave the baby with no choice but assisted death wihin their system

[Red Spy]

Since the medical care is paid for by the government they also have the right to remove life support at any time since it is their own service.

what a great system

[Foxscotch]

"it is morally questionable to decide to not kill a baby"

I'd ask whether or not YOU would wanna live your life braindead, but I guess we already know the answer to that huh

good point
everyone regardless of wealth should die if some faceless government guy says they should

someone has to pay for it. after a certain point, the single payer won't be able to anymore, so you can just go somewhere where it's all capitalized like the US
which brings us to the much bigger problem imo, that the hospital isn't allowing them to take the baby elsewhere? what's up with that, exactly

[Tactical Nuke]

the doctors who deemed the infant unsaveable arent faceless. the government just dictates policy based on the doctor’s prescription/diagnosis. doctors know their government policy well too, so its not like they dont know that their diagnosis will leave the baby with no choice but assisted death wihin their system

I'm talking about the people who are deciding the court case

[Red Spy]

I'd ask whether or not YOU would wanna live your life braindead, but I guess we already know the answer to that huh

i'd rather have my parents decide instead of the government saying 'hah no you're dying now sorry buddy your family gets no say'

[Darth C3P0²]

-oof-

[Conan]

I'm talking about the people who are deciding the court case

not exactly faceless either, but fair enough.

[Foxscotch]

i'd rather have my parents decide instead of the government saying 'hah no you're dying now sorry buddy your family gets no say'

it's not really the government or the parents deciding, it's the doctors. the government is just deciding whether or not to agree with the doctors. you would have to have a pretty skewed perspective to see it as the government just randomly deciding to kill a baby