Religious cigarette?

[Colten]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCh2FXzD6R4

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[Otis Da HousKat]

WRONG, it's the classic argument that science and morals should be united, because science proves religion has truth and explains things, and religion keeps things in order. Another point that I'm trying to make which you just proved is Don't Judge.

Oops, you just judged me!

[[GSF]Ghost]

Oops, you just judged me!

How so? Explain.
It seems to me that you have problems with religious people; seek professional help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCh2FXzD6R4

People like that give us a bad name, and probably alter other people's perceptions of the good in religion.

[Otis Da HousKat]

How so? Explain.

]I guess you're just too loving stupid to remember what you said. Like most religious people!

Religion, when in control of people, is about suppressing information to get ahead. Why the forget do you think no one could read or write for thousands of years? The church had a monopoly on those so they could wield power. A church filled with people like you.

Oh no, if people can think for themselves what will we ever do!?

I wouldn't care if you were just a religious person, but you said information should be kept secret. wtf seriously.

How so? Explain.
It seems to me that you have problems with religious people; seek professional help.

P.S. You just judged me again.

[[GSF]Ghost]

I guess you're just too loving stupid to remember what you said. Like most religious people!

It seems to me that you have problems with religious people; seek professional help.

If you were trying to make a point according to my "Immature judgemental statement meant to demean" post, why didn't you quote that?
And do you even know what judging is? In this case: Judging is making a decision about someone and concluding what they said (or hearing only what you wanted to hear). In this case, you concluded that I (and all religious people) was stupid and thought I was making the same cliche argument, which clearly I didn't. You though I said that all unreligous people were immoral, which isn't what I said at all - read it again. I came to a conclusion that your statement was demeaning because of what you posted: "Oh boy, the classic people who aren't religious have no morals argument."

Also, as I stated before, Albert Einstein believed in God, but I guess he was just as foolish as the rest of us huh? He might not have been religious, but he had a lot more sense than you. Do you believe in God - making sure I don't judge you.

]Religion, when in control of people, is about suppressing information to get ahead. Why the forget do you think no one could read or write for thousands of years? The church had a monopoly on those so they could wield power. A church filled with people like you.

Oh no, if people can think for themselves what will we ever do!?

I wouldn't care if you were just a religious person, but you said information should be kept secret. wtf seriously.
P.S. You just judged me again.

If that is what you think religion is then you do indeed need help. I just stated the purpose of religion on the other page, it is about finding PURPOSE.

People like me? You mean normal everyday people that strive for reaching Heaven by doing good acts of random kindness? hmmm

"but you said information should be kept secret." LOL show me EXACTLY where I said that.

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If you are going to continue debating with me, do so in a mature manner like the rest of the posters in this thread. That way we don't have a flame war, and you will appear more intelligent rather than some close-minded individual.

[Rughugger]

Well no offense meant to ya goast, but in the 1500s the Catholic church deemed the fork a tool of Satan. So either we do have tendencies to repress people, or we can be way too overprotective of the flock.

When I say "we' I mean the fact that I'm a religious person. (not as much as some would like to have me be in order to guarantee salvation in their eyes) But I do note a few things that human interpretation can always seem a bit confusing to those who choose not to believe. And as we've seen countless times throughout history. People tend to become awful ignorant and rash towards things they don't understand or are too different.

[[GSF]Ghost]

For the fork deemed as a tool of satan, ya that was a time of limited intelligence. But, in these days intelligence has expanded, and intelligence in terms of religion has expanded as well. The Catholic church doesn't still believe that the fork is a tool of satan. But you are right, we don't know for certain what the situation was back then, and stating that the fork is a tool of satan could have been for a good reason. And you don't have to be hardcore religious to reach salvation, you reach salvation everyday by trying to become a better person.

I myself have found that my life is much better now that I am religious; negative situations seem to work themselves out, I seem to avoid a lot of negative situations without knowing it until later, and I am presented with much more opportunities than I used to. There have also been a lot of  really strange occurances since I became religious which really make me challenge my beliefs in reality; this is another reason why I can't understand why other people don't believe in God - they haven't seen or experienced what I have.

And That makes a lot of sense. I realize that people act negatively around things that they don't understand, but to state that all religious people are stupid because of what they believe and to be so close-minded is incredibly foolish.

[Rughugger]

This I also believe. It took me a long book by a gentleman named Joel Osteen to see that there was a whole different meaning to religion other than "Just be good or you're going to hell." Changed my life for the better.

I'll have to agree, since reading that book. I have been a far more positive person and have had a dramatic increase in how better my life keeps getting. I realized primarily that blaming God for crap that happens in my life is pretty useless since I know that my negative attitude and lack of doing anything about the bad things are what caused my life to go into such a turmoil. God wasn't the problem, I was. A lot of people find it convenient to blame God and deny he exists as if that would help them justify having a hard time and wonder why others around them prosper.

Which I happen to agree with as well. Which is why both religious and non-religious have to understand that nothing anyone can do will change a person's opinion. If someone chooses to believe or not, I accept it. I don't flame, but I try to understand, so I ask them. Had some real good talks with Islamic people as I have a cousin who married one. (Awesome guy btw)

As far as I can tell we both believe in the same thing/same god. The only difference lies in who the last prophet/messiah was and how they affected those branches of religion differently from each other. To me it makes no sense as I feel it's like people are killing each other over how to pronounce potato. But when someone believes in something so much, they fail to open their minds to the variety of the interpretations given out. 

All religions center around a basic belief that we live our lives in a way that makes us happy and can allow others around us to be happy. When life is over, we are rewarded for our troubles. But just like that game where you whisper a phrase down a line of people, it gets mixed up here and there and we always end up with a different form of message than what was originally stated. Just my belief anyways. I get bored, so I like to learn.

[Netwars4]

dang these are long posts, im not even reading any of these just because of their length. Really we all know what is right and what is wrong, the corruption is in the people that ignore it. I believe that one of the uses of religion is to remind people of the morals and such.

Also, dude with the ying yang symbol thingy... you are getting way too into this. its just a simple discussion about how a guy refused to read a book because it talked about evolution.

on that note i have one last thing to add, knowledge should be paired with religion so as to use said knowledge wisely.

[[GSF]Ghost]

Also, dude with the ying yang symbol thingy... you are getting way too into this. its just a simple discussion about how a guy refused to read a book because it talked about evolution.

If you read what was going on you would understand why; I stated my opinion and then someone randomly came in flamed me for no reason, and called all religious people stupid. That's why I got into it.

on that note i have one last thing to add, knowledge should be paired with religion so as to use said knowledge wisely.

That's exactly what I stated in a previous post.

But just like that game where you whisper a phrase down a line of people, it gets mixed up here and there and we always end up with a different form of message than what was originally stated. Just my belief anyways. I get bored, so I like to learn.

Lately I have been trying to find out what's right and what isn't, and why people believe in what isn't. The metaphore of the whisper game makes a lot of sense and made me realize something. Yes, morals and beliefs might have been sckewed over the years. But, at one moment in time the truth of God made itself known to people somehow. I'm not sure which belief came first, but somehow people started believing in God. And, I believe that now that same intervention of knowledge is present in these times, but because of our natural biases it is hard to uncover.

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Anyways, I don't want to keep bumping this thread because I'm afraid someone else will come in a start something.

[Otis Da HousKat]

beep

I reread your first post, and I did misread what you said about intelligence, information, and morals. I am sorry for that.

But I still hold my opinion that the amount of sheepish religious people who want to withhold information is sickening. And I still think religion is a crock of bull, because it is corrupted by stupid people.

I'm sorry for attacking you personally, but not religion.

Something that happened the other day really disgusted me.

On another forum someone was talking about how they might lose their house because they might not be able to pay the mortgage, because medical emergencies they had to pay for. He was wondering what he was going to do, and someone came in and said, "You should continue along with what you are doing. God will step in and help you out."

Seriously, what the forget?

Throw away all personal responsibility and action in hope that a deity will come down personally to save you! That's sound advice.


Actually, there is something I really don't like about you. It sounds like you willingly remain ignorant to some things. I can't tolerate that. Being willfully ignorant to something is just asking to be walked all over.

[Jaydee]

How can he be ignorant? Please Explain.

[Otis Da HousKat]

How can he be ignorant? Please Explain.

errrr

I don't indulge in knowledge, but I have seen what doing so does to people.

I'm not calling him stupid (anymore) so don't get riled up.

[Netwars4]

Otis, i agree and disagree with you at the same time. i agree with that whole "god will save you" thing you said, because it really is just a crock of bull.

but on the other hand i disagree with you about calling ying yang dude ignorant.
if he was "ignorant" as you describe him then he would not even be on this thread due to his ignorance, or maybe im just missing the point. Anyway, he seems rather smart as a person, and judging by how he talks, he uses his knowledge well rather than using it for personal gain all the time.

[Monty]

God is a lie.