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remember when we used to draw in this thread

for forget's sake, shadowsfear, if there ever is a time an argument goes beyond 5 pages i urge you to lock the thread. like, god dammit you guys.

for some reason i strongly disagree, but i can't even think of where to begin relating that statement to art

like how many levels are there of "nothing"? when you start drawing on a blank pieces of paper is there nothing? or was it something to begin with? was the nothingness the somethingness? hnegghh

I think he meant, an idea. Because in a sense, it must have been remixed from past experiences. Although not technically energy? It could still follow the law of only changing form and not being created or destroyed.

for some reason i strongly disagree, but i can't even think of where to begin relating that statement to art

like how many levels are there of "nothing"? when you start drawing on a blank pieces of paper is there nothing? or was it something to begin with? was the nothingness the somethingness? hnegghh
You're making no sense. When I say you can't create something out of nothing, I mean that if you have no imagery to represent what you're trying to express, you can't express the concept. This is the theory of matter. It doesn't only apply to physical matter and energy.

He did it nearly off the bat so idgaf. I kept my point nearly insult free.
not even going to start on this

What is the connection between my paragraph and this sentence? The airbrush tool is a vehicle for expression. Just like a pencil. Or a even a fill tool.
This is true, however a representation goes deeper than simple shading. Frankly, the argument took a nose dive into the penal zone when you started talking about how artists express themselves in the first place -- the original argument was literally just takato saying bloukface's airbrush shading isn't good. What I'm thinking here is that it's more that you're looking for a reason to attack takato for having a passive-aggressive tone to his criticism -- most of your argument stems from the fact that takato specifically called out the airbrush.
« Last Edit: April 30, 2014, 10:01:19 PM by PowerDag »

You're making no sense. When I say you can't create something out of nothing, I mean that if you have no imagery to represent what you're trying to express, you can't express the concept.
yes sorry i left the point and went on a dumb tangent, it was more jokingly towards the end there pfff

Then use a pencil for it. I never said you can use the tool brush to do everything in a drawing. I was never using Sslouk as an example. I was using everyone ever doing art as an example. I'm stating that the airbrush tool is a tool. I keep saying this but its apparently not getting across.
It is a stuffty tool that only does something that other tools already do

except the results it produces are significantly worse than the results the aforementioned other tools produce

I may not have been as nice as I thought I was being, and I'm sorry about that, but that doesn't change the fact that the airbrush is not a good tool

imo the airbrush is actually not that good. i haven't found any use for it that i can't already do with some tasteful smudging/blurring.

the original argument was literally just takato saying bloukface's airbrush shading isn't good.

Actually, it was that airbrush shading is just bad all the time and never good and you should never use it and it doesn't look good ever
To which Shadows said that there is no "right" way to make art, to which takato said that there absolutely is, and THEN Shadows talked about expression. I think.
which made it kinda relevant

imo the airbrush is actually not that good. i haven't found any use for it that i can't already do with some tasteful smudging/blurring.

even though this isn't really related to the argument at hand, I'm going to use this quote in place of one at the end of page 1359

I don't think Shadows was ever making the point that you should use the airbrush or anything like that, I thought he was just making the point that it is not always bad horrible awful good-for-nothing like takato was saying.
I mean, of course you can use other stuff for the same effect, and it has its disadvantages, he's just saying that it can look good.

You're making no sense. When I say you can't create something out of nothing, I mean that if you have no imagery to represent what you're trying to express, you can't express the concept. This is the theory of matter. It doesn't only apply to physical matter and energy.

But your thoughts and creativity cant be measured in matter or energy. Granted, all creations take inspiration and ideas from already existing things, but you can create something absolutely new, in the eyes of what is known, anyway. There is an astronomical chance that something that someone makes that no one has seen before, exists somewhere in our universe. But in our perception, it is new. This is what I'm saying, I don't know where you got the notion that someone is creating something from absolutely nothing.

Frankly, the argument took a nose dive into the penal zone when you started talking about how artists express themselves in the first place -- the original argument was literally just takato saying bloukface's airbrush shading isn't good. What I'm thinking here is that it's more that you're looking for a reason to attack takato for having a passive-aggressive tone to his criticism -- most of your argument stems from the fact that takato specifically called out the airbrush.

See here:

airbrushing is not experimentation, its being loving lazy, it always results in really soft and poorly defined shadows, it doesn't allow for hard edges simply by its design, which are absolutely critical to achieving realistic lighting and shadows

the airbrush is an objectively bad tool, its not like we're talking about differing mediums, we're talking about different tools to manipulate a single medium

it's like using a loving toothpick as a paintbrush, it's not gonna work well no matter what you do
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It is a stuffty tool that only does something that other tools already do

except the results it produces are significantly worse than the results the aforementioned other tools produce

I may not have been as nice as I thought I was being, and I'm sorry about that, but that doesn't change the fact that the airbrush is not a good tool

My argument was stated matter-of-factly and as simple as possible multiple times, but again: IT IS A TOOL. IT IS WHAT YOU MAKE OF IT.

Generally taking the easy way out doesn't make for a very nice picture, since you put less effort into it.

Over-complication =/= better. Just because it is easier does not mean it is worse. I'm using this as a general statement.

An artist that uses a medium adapts their style to it -- the tool is shaping the artist's style as he shapes how he uses the tool. A sculptor working with hard clay will develop stronger fingers with practice, so that he has more control over how the clay can be molded.

Sure, an artist can adapt their style to their medium, but an extraordinary artist uses the medium to do things not seen before with that medium. It's those moments when you see something new and exciting from a medium that makes you say "Oh wow I've never thought of that," that signifies an artists job as an artist.

ok but in this situation it IS worse because the airbrush is not a good tool

a tool is what you make of it but you can't make a 2 inch tall, highly detailed wood sculpture using a loving chainsaw, it's simply not possible
« Last Edit: April 30, 2014, 10:22:46 PM by takato14 »

ok but in this situation it IS worse because the airbrush is not a good tool

a tool is what you make of it but you can't make a 2 inch tall, highly detailed wood sculpture using a loving chainsaw, it's simply not possible

Again, I never said the airbrush can be used for everything. I know it has limits.

jesus maximum christ can someone who isn't contributing to the argument tell me what the hell is going on in this thread

jesus maximum christ can someone who isn't contributing to the argument tell me what the hell is going on in this thread
takato gets into it with everyone

revision: Takato Gets Into It With Everyone because you might as well change the title of any thread he posts in to that
« Last Edit: April 30, 2014, 10:30:11 PM by Night Fox »

jesus maximum christ can someone who isn't contributing to the argument tell me what the hell is going on in this thread
blouk posted art
tak gave advice against blouk's art
shadowsfear did not like taks' advice of blouk's art
powerdag did not like shadowsfears criticism of taks adivce of blouk's art
fancypants did not like taks advice either
camel did not like any of it
brickman did not know what was going on

Again, I never said the airbrush can be used for everything. I know it has limits.
it doesn't have limits, it's strictly bad

what it does can be done by other tools with much better looking results

who cares if it's faster, if something else looks better you should always use that, that's the very thing that makes great artists great: going the extra mile to make something as good as it can possibly be.

I'm done with this, I wanna draw
« Last Edit: April 30, 2014, 10:32:02 PM by takato14 »

Personally, I would argue that the airbrush tool should be kept out of the hands of beginners, because they misuse it/abuse it; like first year art students with erasers.  Though, it has its uses to someone who knows what to use it for, and when it would be appropriate.  Especially useful for me is the eraser with an airbrush brush applied to it.