#gamergate megathread

[Kimon²]

Eurgh, where'd you get that? IIRC KC Green has a very vocal "i don't give a stuff about anything" stance on everything

he actually said "im not sure what this is about, but my friends are getting insulted so i dont like it"
that's close to an actual quote

his reasoning is really stupid but whatever

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[McJobless]

the real deep messaging of fallout, right?

Maybe if you studied the game design documents for the original games (which are actually available), you'd be making more correct assertions.

not awareness, but to put someone in the shoes of someone with depression, game designer master.

What good does that do if I hate the player character and don't care if they live, and I got the same sediment from everybody else I quizzed about it?

What's the point of putting gamers into their shoes? Unless it's about awareness of what it's like, there's no point.

Actually, tell you what, it did do a good job of communicating what it's like to be depressed, because during playing it I wanted to kill myself and be done with the pain.

[comr4de]

not awareness, but to put someone in the shoes of someone with depression, game designer master.

It doesn't really put you in the shoes as much as it grabs you buy the neck at gunpoint, pushes you onto a train, and forces you into a FEMA camp where you every decision is shoehorned by your guards


It's a pretty stuffty simulation, coming from someone who was diagnosed with depression two years ago. The game presents you with an everyday situation and your "decisions" are forced to be the "woe is me, life sucks" choices. To the games credit, the choices were/are pretty on par with my experience. The issue is that you're not looking at this from the viewpoint of a person with depression, you're handling situations like a person with depression. It's like bioware released a "grim dark" version of ME where all the paragon choices were locked and you had to do renegade.

[Marcem]

It doesn't really put you in the shoes as much as it grabs you buy the neck at gunpoint, pushes you onto a train, and forces you into a FEMA camp where you every decision is shoehorned by your guards


It's a pretty stuffty simulation, coming from someone who was diagnosed with depression two years ago. The game presents you with an everyday situation and your "decisions" are forced to be the "woe is me, life sucks" choices. To the games credit, the choices were/are pretty on par with my experience. The issue is that you're not looking at this from the viewpoint of a person with depression, you're handling situations like a person with depression. It's like bioware released a "grim dark" version of ME where all the paragon choices were locked and you had to do renegade.

"simulation" lol

Maybe if you studied the game design documents for the original games (which are actually available), you'd be making more correct assertions.
What good does that do if I hate the player character and don't care if they live, and I got the same sediment from everybody else I quizzed about it?

What's the point of putting gamers into their shoes? Unless it's about awareness of what it's like, there's no point.

Actually, tell you what, it did do a good job of communicating what it's like to be depressed, because during playing it I wanted to kill myself and be done with the pain.

"maybe if you studioed the game design docs" wank harder bro

You hate the player character/yourself?  I think that's the point.

[blueblur121]

Marcem, you are in the wrong thread. People will yell at you here.

[Marcem]

Marcem, you are in the wrong thread. People will yell at you here.

sorry for not hating women

[Ipquarx]

sorry for not hating women

This movement is about journalistic integrity, not hating women.

[blueblur121]

sorry for not hating women

>goes into gamergate thread
>"you all hate women"
>expects everything to go fine

[Kimon²]

sorry for not hating women

nice stuff tier feminism marcem

[blueblur121]

nice stuff tier feminism marcem

This is like tumblr not even trying tier.

Kimon, we need to make a chart of the different teirs of feminism.

[McJobless]

sorry for not hating women

So I guess because I have more female friends (especially ones who can absolutely destroy me in video games, art, sport etc) than male friends, I'm automatically a woman hater. kk m8. It's not because I'm actually taking this "hobby" seriously as I want to do it as my career and I am sick of seeing people with no level of appreciation for standards come in and get famous off of it.

"maybe if you studioed the game design docs" wank harder bro

Sorry that I actually care enough about video games to want to make awesome ones instead of praising stuffty ones.

You hate the player character/yourself?  I think that's the point.

I hated and never engaged with the player character, whereas I was happy to make him suffer as much as possible in order to find some kind of engagement within the game.

Fun fact: Normally when I play games I get immersed really easy, to the point I can't actually do anything evil (outside of killing where I have to). I've never played the "evil" or "bad" side to any RPG.

So this game comes along, and it's boring enough for me to want to have the option to put a gun to the character's head so I can go off and play The Last of Us or something engaging on an actually deep level.

Why are you defending this stuffty game? Would you also defend Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing if it turned out the lead developer was a black, overweight lesbian who had suffered with cancer and depression for most of her life and had a leg amputated? There's a reason standards loving exist.

EDIT: I hate that almost all people seem to believe "equality" means "we get to be treated with total respect and we can have no criticism". I don't care if you're male, female, white, black or whatever the forget. If you make a stuffty game and expect people to either pay or donate to you, you get to face the criticism. If you make an awesome game, you get praise.

[Kimon²]

This is like tumblr not even trying teir.

Kimon, we need to make a chart of the different teirs of feminism.

i was just about to say that

[Marcem]

So I guess because I have more female friends (especially ones who can absolutely destroy me in video games, art, sport etc) than male friends, I'm automatically a woman hater. kk m8. It's not because I'm actually taking this "hobby" seriously as I want to do it as my career and I am sick of seeing people with no level of appreciation for standards come in and get famous off of it.
Sorry that I actually care enough about video games to want to make awesome ones instead of praising stuffty ones.
I hated and never engaged with the player character, whereas I was happy to make him suffer as much as possible in order to find some kind of engagement within the game.

Fun fact: Normally when I play games I get immersed really easy, to the point I can't actually do anything evil (outside of killing where I have to). I've never played the "evil" or "bad" side to any RPG.

So this game comes along, and it's boring enough for me to want to have the option to put a gun to the character's head so I can go off and play The Last of Us or something engaging on an actually deep level.

Why are you defending this stuffty game? Would you also defend Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing if it turned out the lead developer was a black, overweight lesbian who had suffered with cancer and depression for most of her life and had a leg amputated? There's a reason standards loving exist.

EDIT: I hate that almost all people seem to believe "equality" means "we get to be treated with total respect and we can have no criticism". I don't care if you're male, female, white, black or whatever the forget. If you make a stuffty game and expect people to either pay or donate to you, you get to face the criticism. If you make an awesome game, you get praise.

Tip: people don't want to play games by stuffty people like you.  Btw, you're wasting your time if you think looking at design docs is going to make you a better designer.  Make things, not stare at others' things.  Also you're not going to get a career in games when you're as dismissive and arrogant as you.  Around actual industry forums, you would be basically ostracized for being such a prick.  You're not special for being interested in making games.

Also, you're also super stuffty for thinking that me defending DQ even a little suggests that I don't care what a game is/do not have standards.  Offering criticism, btw, isn't saying "this game is stuffty".  What made you hate the character?  You have said literally nothing of any use to anyone.

lol "i have female friends"

nice stuff tier feminism marcem

nice meme bro

This is like tumblr not even trying teir.

Kimon, we need to make a chart of the different teirs of feminism.

tier*

This movement is about journalistic integrity, not hating women.

so, the roundup is:
girl forgeted five guys, ordered some burger and fries for a good game review (or two)(or five with some fries on the side)
4chan(or another place) explodes, tumblr attacks them
#gamergate is born
zoe quinn sits and eats her burger and fries
???
profit

i dun get it
like, there's definetly more to this than a girl doing prostitution for metascore right

I was pretty shocked when I saw this on a Spanish New's channel talking about #gamergate as one of there 4-5 min quick news stories I was like this is the least place I thought this would show up although they were showing the feminational socialist side only.

Bassically, Zoe Quinn had love with five guys to get good game reviews, and stuff hit the fan.

lol not at all even though the reviews in question were never written and also the thread just turned into "is depression quest a game"

[blueblur121]

tier*

forget

YOU SAW NOTHING

[Kimon²]

also the thread just turned into "is depression quest a game"

it's almost like that's an extremely relevant topic in gamergate or something