#gamergate megathread

[Oasis]

I'm not saying there is but it just doesn't make sense to me, that's all. I'm sure that the police are doing their job in finding the source of the letter because threats like that don't just go away but I'm interested in the outcome of the investigation. The Meg Lanker Simmons incident comes to mind.

Yeah, ideally they're taking it very seriously and will find the person who authored it, and if it was Sarkeesian or someone around her then I hope they face the consequences. However, I wouldn't doubt if it was some idiot participating in the hate feminists bandwagon.

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[Harm94]

It wouldn't surprise me if she is writing the letters herself. She has already received a few letters in the past, one that allegedly caused her to move from her home. With more death threats the more she is gains attention.

Many of extremists in the feminist community have this victim/martyr complex. They throw mud at people and pretend they are fighting a good cause, they get hit back and act like they are victims because they fought for a good cause.

the letter it self is a bit odd. The writing contains a lot of those big dictionary words that average people do not use day to day. For example in the 4 passage:
"We live in a nation of emasculated cowards too afraid  to challenge the vile, misandrist harpies seek to destroy them." contains a lot of these big words. These are the types of words that some sort of Hollywood cookie-cutter villain like an autistic outcast type would be use as he goes around murdering people.

It just looks like it was written by a woman like this passage:
"she is going to die screaming like the craven little whore that she if you let her come to USU. I will write my manifesto in her blood, and you will all bear witnes to what feminist lies and poison have done to the men of America."
A male writer would have been more direct and would have written something like this:
"She will die screaming if let this bitch come to USU. I write my manifesto in her blood as you all witness what feminism has done to the men of America!". The writer is a bit indirect when it comes to their speech. If I remember one thing from speech, it's that men are more direct when speaking than women. Not say all men are women are like that, but in most cases.

[Foxscotch]

almost to the point that I doubt that a man sent this letter.

where are you getting this from
what is it about choosing a different incident to mention than you would, that would lead you to assume whoever sent it was a non-man

[Harm94]

where are you getting this from

http://forum.blockland.us/index.php?topic=267442.msg7931422#msg7931422

what is it about choosing a different incident to mention than you would, that would lead you to assume whoever sent it was a non-man

because the average person doesn't say something like:
"We live in a nation of emasculated cowards too afraid to challenge the vile, misandrist harpies seek to destroy them."
Note the bold word misandrist, or misandry which is a word used frequently by tumblr feminists.

Males are usually direct when speaking and would say something like:
"She will die screaming if let this bitch come to USU. I write my manifesto in her blood as you all witness what feminism has done to the men of America!".

Instead the writer is more indirect and writes this:
"she is going to die screaming like the craven little whore that she is if you let her come to USU. I will write my manifesto in her blood, and you will all bear witness to what feminist lies and poison have done to the men of America."

All women communicate indirectly
All men communicate directly
the letter is written indirectly
therefor the letter was written by a woman
#logic

[Foxscotch]

http://forum.blockland.us/index.php?topic=267442.msg7931422#msg7931422

not really what I meant

idk what you're talking about tho. how is any of that indirect? and why r u assuming men can't be eloquent?? isn't that what you people are supposed to be against? stereotypes?

[Oasis]

It wouldn't surprise me if she is writing the letters herself. She has already received a few letters in the past, one that allegedly caused her to move from her home. With more death threats the more she is gains attention.

Many of extremists in the feminist community have this victim/martyr complex. They throw mud at people and pretend they are fighting a good cause, they get hit back and act like they are victims because they fought for a good cause.

the letter it self is a bit odd. The writing contains a lot of those big dictionary words that average people do not use day to day. For example in the 4 passage:
"We live in a nation of emasculated cowards too afraid  to challenge the vile, misandrist harpies seek to destroy them." contains a lot of these big words. These are the types of words that some sort of Hollywood cookie-cutter villain like an autistic outcast type would be use as he goes around murdering people.

It just looks like it was written by a woman like this passage:
"she is going to die screaming like the craven little whore that she if you let her come to USU. I will write my manifesto in her blood, and you will all bear witnes to what feminist lies and poison have done to the men of America."
A male writer would have been more direct and would have written something like this:
"She will die screaming if let this bitch come to USU. I write my manifesto in her blood as you all witness what feminism has done to the men of America!". The writer is a bit indirect when it comes to their speech. If I remember one thing from speech, it's that men are more direct when speaking than women. Not say all men are women are like that, but in most cases.

Once again, people that commit massacres are usually loving insane, so for you to use what you think are normal indicators of gender is just as insane.

[Kishgal]

>doubting that it was another sarkeesian attention stunt

[comr4de]

not really what I meant

idk what you're talking about tho. how is any of that indirect? and why r u assuming men can't be eloquent?? isn't that what you people are supposed to be against? stereotypes?

profiling is such a corner stone of the criminal investigative system that there are people who study for years on end to "stereotype"

Our point is that it doesn't fit the profile.

Once again, people that commit massacres are usually loving insane, so for you to use what you think are normal indicators of gender is just as insane.

insanity does not void any ingrained gender norms. If this person really is doing this over how feminism has "emasculated" men, then we have one of two options.
1) the writer is male and is thus acting in "defense" of the male gender
2) the writer is a disgruntled feminist who believes that new age feminism has lost its way or whatever
The third option is that the letter was ghost written by sarkeesian or a proxy.

Harm laid it out pretty well. The language in the letter is way too eloquent for a Flash Mober.
Compare the letter to the ramblings of Rebdomine. Compare the differnces in vocabulary and tone. Eric's journals were very direct in his intentions. The letter is overly flowery and indirect in tone.

Furthermore the timing is just too goddamn good. With #gamergate going on this gives sarkeesian three easy victories right off the bat: publicity, public sympathy, and (literally the most common complaint I've seen regarding this whole dispute) an easy avenue of attack on Utah's open carry laws.

I'll gladly admit that I'm biased in this situation. I do not want to see social policy pushed in video games. But this letter is too goddamned suspicious for me to simply take it at face value. I think USU made the right choicein the interest of public safety. But I am very interested to see where the investigation of this letter leads.

Edit: you /are/ aware that harm and I are literally studying these sorts of cases in college-level courses, right? This isn't just a hobby of ours; we're both training to do this for the rest of our lives.

[Kishgal]

Well. Look at it this way.
What possible motivation could the author of the letter have had to warn them in advance, to even say "you can stop this?" There is no reason given in the letter, and there is no conceivable reason other than having never intended to do it in the first place. But that contradicts his apparent motive to kill feminists in general, having sworn that he would kill as many as he can.
"Feminists have ruined my life and those of men around the world, but hey! 24 hours and I'll let you off scot free! For because!"

[comr4de]

Thats another factor worth mentioning. Most of the time the killers don't give any actual warning.

But I can also think of every time a bomb has been called in over a midterm. Again, the public doesnt have nearly enough facts to jump to conclusions at this point.

[Kishgal]

I could see it being more questionable if the author hadn't gone on in detail about how feminists are the worst thing ever and should all die, but really that just takes it over the line to "trying too hard" to be real to me.

[comr4de]

Honestly its an ace in the hole whether or not its real. Sarkeesian gets publicity, public sympathy, GG gets negative press. Nobody can really straight up call bullstuff yet because theres no evidence that it is bullstuff and also because its VERY difficult for the general public to believe that someone would cry wolf over something that has effectively traumatized an entire generation

If its for real its going to go down in hostory as one of the worst-timed death threats of all time.

[Ladios]

The language in the letter is way too eloquent for a Flash Mober.
 we're both training to do this for the rest of our lives.

Ok I accept that but what if it isn't a Flash Mober. What if it isn't a hoax either? What if it is actually part of the same group of people who have been harassing Sarkeesian and while there may or may not have been an actual person going to show up, these threats still should be taken seriously because there isn't a specific way to guarantee the difference.

[comr4de]

Ok I accept that but what if it isn't a Flash Mober. What if it isn't a hoax either? What if it is actually part of the same group of people who have been harassing Sarkeesian and while there may or may not have been an actual person going to show up, these threats still should be taken seriously because there isn't a specific way to guarantee the difference.

*shrug* I told you I was biased but I also agree that these threats should be taken seriously in that they need to find whoever sent this threat in the first place. No matter who sent it this isn't really a subject to joke about. If they're mentally ill they need help and if they're an extremist they need to see their day in court.

[ResonKinetic]

Harm, I love you.