#gamergate megathread

[Daedalus]

Are you mentally loving handicapped?

derogatory insult, ad hominem
mmm yes i knew arguing with you was a waste of time

http://time.com/3305466/male-female-harassment-online/
http://www.psmag.com/health-and-behavior/women-arent-welcome-internet-72170
http://www.aware.org.sg/ati/wsh-site/14-statistics/
http://www.catalyst.org/knowledge/love-discrimination-and-loveual-harassment-0

it's so loving easy to see.
i've presented you with statistics, and the only thing you seem to have in response is fluff along the lines of "no, i just don't think it's true that women are antagonized in america more often then men."

forget tumblr, stopped using it after 5 minutes

Not shooting but relevant
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/22/us/six-baltimore-officers-indicted-in-death-of-freddie-gray.html?_r=0

You sound like a tribal imo

yup, one example proves my entire point wrong.
do you remember when the DoJ found that ferguson was, in fact, committing racial discrimination and acting under bias, even when they insisted that they didn't?

People are equal already, shove off with this gender and racial extremism stuff. If you want to be treated like normal act normal. forget.

how can you look at objective information that contradicts your claim and still think everyone is equal?
this is what MLK was talking about when he referred to the "white moderate" - those who value order over justice

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[Kaz]

how can you look at objective information that contradicts your claim and still think everyone is equal?
this is what MLK was talking about when he referred to the "white moderate" - those who value order over justice

Because I actually live in the real world, not tumblr? Let me pose a hypothetical here: a completely average man and woman both go to the gym on the same days for the same amount of time doing the same exercises. Neither has ever been to a gym before but are average in health and not hamplanets. Who is stronger?

[Harm94]

Well I would say there are both physical and mental strengths and weaknesses with each love.

[ZSNO]

yup, one example proves my entire point wrong.

Yeah, it does. Learn2logic scrub :^)

[otto-san]

i don't want to come off as condescending here or anything, but i personally don't understand how the claim that men and women are socially equal could be made and well-supported. i'm not saying that's any more important than other instances of inequality, but i find it pretty hard to not see that myself? idk if that's the "real problem" here but

[beachbum111111]

i don't want to come off as condescending here or anything, but i personally don't understand how the claim that men and women are socially equal could be made and well-supported. i'm not saying that's any more important than other instances of inequality, but i find it pretty hard to not see that myself? idk if that's the "real problem" here but

Explain...

[otto-san]

Explain...

well i don't want to waste anyone's time explaining a moot point, so i was kinda prodding to see if the actual problem was if people legitimately didn't believe social inequality based on love exists or if it were something else

[ZSNO]

I pretty much see it as yes, there are social inequalities between lovees and races, but to a HUGE less extent to which some people claim there to be, which annoys me.
There are much more important things one should worry about than "the male gaze is raping me".

[beachbum111111]

so i was kinda prodding to see if the actual problem was if people legitimately didn't believe social inequality based on love exists or if it were something else

It depends. Are you talking about just in Western countries all over the world like in the Middle East? And it also depends on what you define as a social inequality. Do you mean what people expect of you if your a man compared to if your a women? Or do you mean actual inequality's like not getting equal pay?

[Kaz]

There are much more important things one should worry about than "the male gaze is raping me".

This ad infinitum. People who get worked up over gender and racial issues are some of the most shallow people I will ever have the displeasure to speak to.

[otto-san]

I pretty much see it as yes, there are social inequalities between lovees and races, but to a HUGE less extent to which some people claim there to be, which annoys me.
There are much more important things one should worry about than "the male gaze is raping me".

yeah, i don't think it's quite as serious as a lot of people make it out to be (in western cultures at least), and i honestly believe that a lot of the problems are on the path to be solved naturally anyway

It depends. Are you talking about just in Western countries all over the world like in the Middle East?

both are important, but in this context i'm guessing western culture is more relevant

Do you mean what people expect of you if your a man compared to if your a women? Or do you mean actual inequality's like not getting equal pay?

both could fit under social inequality

[beachbum111111]

both could fit under social inequality

Well since were talking about the West Women get equal pay here. If they didn't companies would just hire women instead since it would be cheaper. If you are talking about the Gender Wage gap it's utter bullstuff, see Ipquarx's video.

As for this

\what people expect of you if your a man compared to if your a women??

This happens with anyone, not just women, in a construction job people won't expect you to be strong if you're skinny, People will expect that you are poor if you wear stuffty clothes, and people will expect that you are lazy if you're obese. While your mileage may vary first impressions are always the worst, and people will make a first impression of you judging by your looks, skin, last name, gender, basically anything you can think of. It's up to you to show them otherwise, regardless of your looks, skin, gender, or whatever.

[otto-san]

i don't so much care about the idea that women have their paychecks straight-up slashed by x percent on average; i'd rather have faith that most upstanding companies follow the law and aren't silly enough to try and get away with that kind of nonsense. i believe in employing people based on their qualifications as any bureaucratic society would, and i tend to believe that others feel the same way unless they make clear that they believe otherwise.

before i go on i'm gonna make clear that i don't expect this to be TheTruth.org, these are my general opinions on the subject matter which are subject to my personal viewpoints, and my purpose is to make more clear where i stand, not to set up a contrary case

the main thing i have a problem with is the idea that love is extensively meaningful to someone's fitness for a job (or anything). i don't think there's any natural order that divides people so fundamentally. that's all culture. i can accept nature as an explanation for why that's the way it's been, but not as a way to justify it. i don't see any reason why a male or female would be intrinsically (as a first assumption) more fit to be a teacher, programmer, trucker, artist, or what have you. i can see why it could be argued that a man might be more likely to be fit for jobs like construction since males have the obvious muscle mass thing goin on. i'm not denying there are anatomical differences between males and females (not that it matters a whole lot for higher-skill jobs), i'm just sceptical that it's sufficient justification in the modern world. (making a distinction between anatomy and psychology; it's difficult to study psychological differences between lovees in a vacuum)

to be more concise:
i don't believe the world is bending on its axis to chain anyone down or deny people their rights or w/e a lot of people seem to enjoy believing. all i'm sayin i that i don't think we really get much use out of the idea that men and women should be considered, in any context, unequal in terms of fitness, ability, etc. and that's what feminism is about.

again, my point was to present my general stance and not much more, so forgive me if some of the details aren't very well-developed

[McJob]

http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3a2fbv/sjws_are_upset_about_deus_ex_human_revolution/cs9d67r

The SJWs are doing that really handicapped thing where they're trying to find something to be angry about, as opposed to allowing mature discussions about the very issues they proclaim to be talking about rationally.

[IkeTheGeneric]

http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3a2fbv/sjws_are_upset_about_deus_ex_human_revolution/cs9d67r

The SJWs are doing that really handicapped thing where they're trying to find something to be angry about, as opposed to allowing mature discussions about the very issues they proclaim to be talking about rationally.

This is the kind of stuff that pisses me off. People get offended when a work of fiction touches upon dark and/or controversial themes, even if they're handled in a mature fashion.

I don't care what these people do or say so long as they keep it in their social circle, but when they're trying to censor art because it may offend someone it just further cements that they're out to only cause harm, not fix anything


Right from Gilles himself:
"What these bloggers and tweeters did to me here is beyond mere insults: They have degraded me and have literally erased my identity as a black developer and as a black creator that just wanted to share a piece of himself with this game.

I wish that they will feel bad about it. I wish they will have the decency to apologize of their gross false assumptions and accusations. To apologize to all the people back in Quebec that have been working hard FOR YEARS to make this game to happen. But since they have no spine, no shame and no self respect they will simply ignore this post (once again denying me voice, legitimacy and identity) and will at best move on another AAA target to toss their freshly defecated stuff at.
They don't deserve anyone's attention.

They don't deserve our industry, our games and the dedication we put into them. They disgust me."

These people stuff on a game because the very game that tackles racism and segregation happened to mention "apartheid". This is completely loving stupid and everyone involved in shaming the developers should feel sorry