"No Justice No Tree / #ShutItDown" in NYC (Eric Garner Protests)

[Nonnel]

when you yell at everyone in the thread, it qualifies for starting stuff.

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[Kimon²]

when you yell at everyone in the thread, it qualifies for starting stuff.

debating =/= "yelling at everyone in the thread"

[Cybertails1998]

arguing with stuffloads of people =/= "debating"

[Zharthon]

                                                                                                     

 I have to say, while it is true that the officer used a chokehold-- I have to point out that it's mostly the victims fault, as he indeed resisted arrest, the officer literally had every right to attempt to subdue him using non-lethal means, many people have stated that indeed, the victim should have actually gone peacefully and not resist arrest-- if he hadn't resisted arrest, this whole episode wouldn't have happened.

... It was entirely the victim's fault that he died, if he hadn't resisted arrest-- the officer then wouldn't have attempted to subdue him using a chokehold, therefore he wouldn't die, although the officer is 15% to blame, most of that blame falls to the victim due to not only commiting a crime, but also-- as I have stated way too much, resisted arrest.

My point being, the defendant simply attempted to use means which weren't 'legal' according to most people, but he still attempted to do his job by non-lethally subduing the victim in order to bring him into custody for his crime, I should point out that the victim literally should have not attempted to even resist arrest in the first place, as I stated earlier, if the victim didn't resist at all-- this wouldn't have happened at all, therefore-- it's entirely the victim's fault that he died.
                 
                                                                                                   

[dudeman162]

                                                                                                     
                 
                                                                                                   

Did you even watch the goddamn video? He was not even a threat, and yet the loving cop went up behind him and immediately started to choke him. He was not even a threat, and you say he deserved to be in a chokehold? The forget? It's Eric's fault that the cop didn't knows how to handle a person that's  not even posing a threat?

[Kimon²]

arguing with stuffloads of people =/= "debating"

lol its not my choice that i was one of the ony people arguing with the whole thread, but even then i dont know what the forget you have to be on to suggest that if you argue with too many people it's not a debate
also i cant get the video now because i am in school and on a phone, but apparently a black kid was recently put into a chokehold at this protest. i dont know what this is if not intentionally trying to send a message.
never mind turns out the op lied about it being at the eric garner protests

[Maxwell.]

Did you even watch the goddamn video? He was not even a threat, and yet the loving cop went up behind him and immediately started to choke him. He was not even a threat, and you say he deserved to be in a chokehold? The forget? It's Eric's fault that the cop didn't knows how to handle a person that's  not even posing a threat?

cause of him posting that gif I know I'll never take that post seriously

[Nonnel]

Did you even watch the goddamn video? He was not even a threat, and yet the loving cop went up behind him and immediately started to choke him. He was not even a threat, and you say he deserved to be in a chokehold? The forget? It's Eric's fault that the cop didn't knows how to handle a person that's  not even posing a threat?

he was resisting arrest, so yeah he was a threat.

[Blockaium]

point is, police there arent allowed to do that to subdue a "suspect" (in this case a victim)

[Harm94]

Did you even watch the goddamn video? He was not even a threat, and yet the loving cop went up behind him and immediately started to choke him. He was not even a threat, and you say he deserved to be in a chokehold? The forget? It's Eric's fault that the cop didn't knows how to handle a person that's  not even posing a threat?

I did, and I saw that he resist. Right he said don't touch me and starting pushing away the officers arms, that is resist arrest.

point is, police there arent allowed to do that to subdue a "suspect" (in this case a victim)

Bullstuff, police are allowed to subdue some one if necessary. In this case there was a policy against the chokehold.

The International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) in its study, Police Use of Force in America 2001, defined use of force as "The amount of effort required by police to compel compliance by an unwilling subject." The IACP also identified five components of force: physical, chemical, electronic, impact, and firearm.

source: http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/default.asp?Item=1374

[dudeman162]

he was resisting arrest, so yeah he was a threat.

The police dude snuck up behind Eric and did an illegal chokehold. Even as he was being choked to death, he did not appear to resist.

[Harm94]

The police dude snuck up behind Eric and did an illegal chokehold. Even as he was being choked to death, he did not appear to resist.

Saying don't touch me and moving around to avoid being grabbed is resisting arrest.

148.  (a) (1) Every person who willfully resists, delays, or
obstructs any public officer, peace officer, or an emergency medical
technician, as defined in Division 2.5 (commencing with Section 1797)
of the Health and Safety Code, in the discharge or attempt to
discharge any duty of his or her office or employment, when no other
punishment is prescribed, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding
one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by imprisonment in a county jail
not to exceed one year, or by both that fine and imprisonment.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=142-181

It doesn't have to be kicking, punching, scratching, and running away.

[Doomonkey]

illegal chokehold

Against policy =/= illegal

[dudeman162]

Against policy =/= illegal

No it's illegal. He was not even threatening the police officers with violence.

I rally do not like the implications from you guys. It sounds like you all are advocating for police to kill people because they resisted arrest.

[Ipquarx]

I rally do not like the implications from you guys. It sounds like you all are advocating for police to kill people because they resisted arrest.

The only reason you're thinking that is because you're jumping to conclusions. The chokehold was not intended to kill, it was intended to subdue, even if it was against policy. Obviously that policy was broken, and in my opinion the officer should be charged for that, but he had no idea that doing so would cause the man to suffocate due to asthma.

And in case you're wondering, that does not count as murder. It might count as manslaughter, or more likely negligent death. (Basically causing an injury to someone that leads to death due to criminal negligence, which in this case was ignoring protocol)