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Author Topic: Windows 10 Thread | I AM LATE BUT IT'S HERE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE  (Read 135637 times)

king of 69 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

A lot of conspiracy theories revolve around the ability to cover up any sort of leak, especially with rich entities, and this one is no exception. Things are leaked all the time, from bigger and more important places too. Valuable government documents and source codes are leaked more than often.
My point doesn't actually revolve around it. I'm simply specifying that microsoft obviously has a way to keep employees in line and ways to prevent the vast majority of leaks, considering that it hasn't happened yet. It in no way affects the fact that Microsoft has the ability to pull any file from your harddrive at any time.

But even if Microsoft's data could be collected, to what use is it?
There's a whole lot of use, here's a few:
  • Blackmail
  • private investigating
  • Insider trading (This is a big one, worth potentially billions of dollars)
  • Identity theft
  • Any other number of reasons that involve stealing someone's personal info
That mandatory disclosure picture you keep posting deliberately leaves out the fact that it's specifically for court orders and protection of privacy. You make it appear like it is collected at all times or one a whim, despite being very limited. It's not a scam, it's cooperation with law enforcement and a means to protect you and themselves. Even if it was, it is never put to use as so that anything but a bot or probably an investigator will see. And I really don't care about that.
It doesn't actually say it's restricted to court orders, it says it will only share your info if it complies with the law. I'm not aware of any laws currently in effect that would allow for it in any way besides a court order, but if CISA passes (Which believe me it might), any company is legally allowed to sell and share their data with any law enforcement agency including the NSA. Their mass data sharing will comply with the law (And hence be allowed by their privacy policy) and anyone in potentially even a local law enforcement position could pull up your private emails and files without a court order, without due process. There's endless possibility for abuse and willy-nilly just-for-fun file searching.

Now, the reason I still don't like it, regardless of whether or not it's claimed to be for our protection, regardless of whether or not it's "restricted" to court orders, is that it gives them the ability to spy on me: A law abiding citizen. I haven't done anything wrong, so they don't need to spy on me. They should not have the ability to spy on me in the first place. Simple as that.

I remember saying this:
It's like this, but more digital: I don't want the local police spying on me in the shower (And other places around the house), so when they ask me to install cameras I'm going to respectfully decline. They try to explain that they'll only activate them if they have a good faith that someone's broken into the house, but I decline, saying that I don't want any possibility of abuse.

Also, if a hacker ever figures out how microsoft gets data off of the computers and how to do it themselves (which is a real possibility), everyone on win10 is royally forgeted. It's a matter of privacy and security

Which still applies wholly. I don't care if it's to supposedly keep people safe, it's still spying, and I'm going to exercise my human right to privacy because I don't want people snooping into my digital home.

It's not like having one camera parked at my electric meter, it's literally having one covering every corner of the house. They can grab ANYTHING. Any file, any email, any personal info, and that's going way over the line of acceptable data collecting.

To continue to post that image, specifically cutting it off before the prerequisites of such data collection, is not very honest. With the full context, it sounds like something they are required to put stating how they work with legal suits and fraud, not another batch they collect at will.
It's completely honest because legally a company cannot be forced to do extremely invasive data collecting, the only reason they're doing it is because they want to. It's not a need. They could leave their hundreds of millions of law abiding customers alone, but they decided not to. Again, it's about accessibility of data, not just accessing.

It's also completely honest because it's the only part that matters: Them having the ability to access all of your data.

I'm also going to reiterate that hackers are a serious problem. Hackers can get into just about anything, and Microsoft more than likely is not an exception from that. If they get access to a file collection utility, everyone on win10 is royally forgeted. That not only adds to the accessibility but also adds to the accessing.

EDIT: Added another potential use for personal data.
EDIT: Fixed quote author, dunno how that happened
« Last Edit: July 30, 2015, 12:36:01 PM by Ipquarx »

king of 69 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
My point doesn't actually revolve around it. I'm simply specifying that microsoft obviously has a way to keep employees in line and ways to prevent the vast majority of leaks, considering that it hasn't happened yet. It in no way affects the fact that Microsoft has the ability to pull any file from your harddrive at any time.
There's a whole lot of use, here's a few:
  • Blackmail
  • private investigating
  • Insider trading (This is a big one, worth potentially billions of dollars)
  • Any other number of reasons that involve stealing someone's personal info


It doesn't actually say it's restricted to court orders, it says it will only share your info if it complies with the law. I'm not aware of any laws currently in effect that would allow for it in any way besides a court order, but if CISA passes (Which believe me it might), any company is legally allowed to sell and share their data with any law enforcement agency including the NSA. Their mass data sharing will comply with the law (And hence be allowed by their privacy policy) and anyone in potentially even a local law enforcement position could pull up your private emails and files without a court order, without due process. There's endless possibility for abuse and willy-nilly just-for-fun file searching.

Now, the reason I still don't like it, regardless of whether or not it's claimed to be for our protection, regardless of whether or not it's "restricted" to court orders, is that it gives them the ability to spy on me: A law abiding citizen. I haven't done anything wrong, so they don't need to spy on me. They should not have the ability to spy on me in the first place. Simple as that.

I remember saying this:
Which still applies wholly. I don't care if it's to supposedly keep people safe, it's still spying, and I'm going to exercise my human right to privacy because I don't want people snooping into my digital home.

It's not like having one camera parked at my electric meter, it's literally having one covering every corner of the house. They can grab ANYTHING. Any file, any email, any personal info, and that's going way over the line of acceptable data collecting.
It's completely honest because legally a company cannot be forced to do extremely invasive data collecting, the only reason they're doing it is because they want to. It's not a need. They could leave their hundreds of millions of law abiding customers alone, but they decided not to. Again, it's about accessibility of data, not just accessing.

It's also completely honest because it's the only part that matters: Them having the ability to access all of your data.

I'm also going to reiterate that hackers are a serious problem. Hackers can get into just about anything, and Microsoft more than likely is not an exception from that. If they get access to a file collection utility, everyone on win10 is royally forgeted. That not only adds to the accessibility but also adds to the accessing.

While this is well written and I fully agree, the nsa isn't that much of a problem as hackers are. The nsa can't possibly watch everyone at once. If the nsa is a team of, let's say, 10k people, they can't watch the what, 10 million people with windows all at once? It's not going to be that much of a problem unless you have a friend working for the nsa who happens to be dishonest, in which I can agree.

The thing that pisses me off the most, which you mentioned, is that they're totally throwing due process out the door. I doubt any of us on this forum are doing anything illegal, but still, 4th ammendment, regardless of some idiot's idea of "oh computers aren't physical" or "if you aren't doing anything wrong you have no reason to hide it".

And yes, hackers. While I think it'd be an incredible feat to write an algorythm that decrypts anything from Microsoft at this point, it's very likely to happen. The second some mastermind finds that you can just grab encrypted data down from a computer (this is in very simple terms, I'm fully aware they can't "grab" data) he'll do it, and find a way to decrypt it. It's going to happen, and when it does, it'll suck.

I'm still upgrading, though. I like my privacy and all, but I'm not worried about people seeing my stuff. I understand people like their privacy, but it's not something of worry to me, people can see what they want.

does anyone else think that chrome on windows 10 looks ugly with everything being white

and is there no way to change the window border colors? chrome would look much better if I could make the window border black

i would upgrade it, but i dont feel like it, would take too long anyway and my internet is being garbage

i would upgrade it, but i dont feel like it, would take too long anyway and my internet is being garbage

you could just let it download in the background tho

does anyone else think that chrome on windows 10 looks ugly with everything being white

and is there no way to change the window border colors? chrome would look much better if I could make the window border black
Yeah a lot of applications look pretty weird with it being all white, like Paint.net for example. On Chrome you can find a theme to change the border color, but good luck finding a decent theme seeing how 90% of the themes on the Chrome Web Store look horribly ugly.

Ipquarx, I love you man, but holy loving stuff the TinFoiling needs to stop.

Ipquarx, I love you man, but holy loving stuff the TinFoiling needs to stop.
Dude, they literally say on their website for everyone to see that they can get any of your files. How is that tinfoiling? I'm not claiming there's some big conspiracy out to get me, I'm showing that Microsoft has access to your data. I'm a guy who takes privacy and security seriously, and all things considered Windows 10 is neither private nor secure due to that alone.

Anyone else getting horrible lag? Everything I do is delayed and unresponsive, even the start menu.

Yeah a lot of applications look pretty weird with it being all white, like Paint.net for example. On Chrome you can find a theme to change the border color, but good luck finding a decent theme seeing how 90% of the themes on the Chrome Web Store look horribly ugly.
You can create your own themes.

Anyone else getting horrible lag? Everything I do is delayed and unresponsive, even the start menu.
I did. Hence why I'm currently back at 8.1.

are you signed into a microsoft account?
yes
in my queue I have candy rush and twitter trying to start downloading but they never do and then the store closes after a while, I've tried WSreset.exe

I'm going to wait until I'm ready.

>tries minecraft windows 10
>needs to login to xbox
Okay, Quickly login
>error login in, go to xbox.com and login
Could you not?
>logs in
>need to log in with parent email
I dont even know my loving parent email, what the hell microsoft
gay

>tries minecraft windows 10
>needs to login to xbox
Okay, Quickly login
>error login in, go to xbox.com and login
Could you not?
>logs in
>need to log in with parent email
I dont even know my loving parent email, what the hell microsoft
gay

Looks like you need to...

Grow up

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