Presidential Elections Discussion 2016

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[Bear_Tracks]

This is kinda weird how they're starting the livestream now, as the actual debates start at 9PM.

[Bear_Tracks]

Debate is on NOW. What do you guys think so far? I think Sanders is FINALLY showing strength. Clinton is spewing the same rhetoric. Boggles my mind how minorities cant figure out that his record is the strongest in regards to civil rights.

[Ipquarx]

Nobody talking about CISA and domestic spying smh

[Bear_Tracks]

Nobody talking about CISA and domestic spying smh

Those are petty issues, in comparison to healthcare, education, and foreign policy.

[otto-san]

Those are petty issues, in comparison to healthcare, education, and foreign policy.

true enough but a lot of democratic voters care a lot about those issues

maybe mostly the younger voters but Meh

[Alyx Vance]

Those are petty issues, in comparison to healthcare, education, and foreign policy.

Spying isn't petty, that's invasion of privacy.

[Bear_Tracks]

Spying isn't petty, that's invasion of privacy.

It's an internal affair. Us spying on our allies might be bad, but it does not have a profound effect on each and every one of our citizens like healthcare and education.

[Ipquarx]

It's an internal affair. Us spying on our allies might be bad, but it does not have a profound effect on each and every one of our citizens like healthcare and education.

Chipping away at citizens rights does have a very direct affect on citizens, it's just much slower to take effect because it's going to be a while before it's noticable enough to make a difference in our everyday lives. It's still an important issue, it's just not as immediate a threat to peoples health and safety. Which, yes, are more important to discuss but our own government violating dozens of laws, the constitution, human rights without so much as a single care is something worth discussing. Forcing a 3000+ page archaic bill to chip away at citizens rights through congress in 3 days attached to a must-pass bill is a major concern. It's all indicative of a very major government-level corruption and failure of our democratic system itself which is most definitely an issue worth addressing.

EDIT: Encryption is being discussed! YES!

[Alyx Vance]

Thank you, Ipquarx. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Bear_Tracks]

Chipping away at citizens rights does have a very direct affect on citizens, it's just much slower to take effect because it's going to be a while before it's noticable enough to make a difference in our everyday lives. It's still an important issue, it's just not as immediate a threat to peoples health and safety. Which, yes, are more important to discuss but our own government violating dozens of laws, the constitution, human rights without so much as a single care is something worth discussing. Forcing a 3000+ page archaic bill to chip away at citizens rights through congress in 3 days attached to a must-pass bill is a major concern. It's all indicative of a very major government-level corruption and failure of our democratic system itself which is most definitely an issue worth addressing.

It's still an issue which doesn't have a huge effect on us, like healthcare and education. Also, a tech question was just asked about government using backdoors to access info, so there you go.

[Zloff]

I keep forgetting malley exists

related: I managed to get a friend and his parents to stop supporting bernie woo go capitalism

[Bear_Tracks]

I keep forgetting malley exists

related: I managed to get a friend and his parents to stop supporting bernie woo go capitalism

What lie did it take to convince him and his family?

[SeventhSandwich]

It's still an issue which doesn't have a huge effect on us, like healthcare and education. Also, a tech question was just asked about government using backdoors to access info, so there you go.

Privacy is hugely important in society. A lack of privacy might not kill you (although it does in plenty of countries with little to no privacy of information) and it might not make you illiterate, but it's something that people pretty much ubiquitously care about...

I managed to get a friend and his parents to stop supporting bernie woo go capitalism

How'd you do that?

[Ipquarx]

It's still an issue which doesn't have a huge effect on us, like healthcare and education. Also, a tech question was just asked about government using backdoors to access info, so there you go.

I'm very happy that the question of encryption was brought up but I wasn't satisfied with either of their answers to be honest. Both malley and sanders beat around the bush a lot. He said for example "If people are planning attacks over messaging I want them to be able to be discovered but I want to do that without invading privacy."

Which is completely nonsensical. If you can read their encrypted messages that is invading their privacy. If you have a backdoor in the encryption that's an invasion of privacy. If you don't have encryption then that's an invasion of privacy too. (This part isn't even possible by the way, not only can you not ban encryption but even if you did people would continue to use absolutely untraceable, unfindable and uncrackable methods of hiding and encrypting messages.)

I think it would be absolutely great if that were possible in the first place, but it's simply nothing more than wishful thinking. The simple fact is there's no way to tell if a message is suspicious of criminal/terrorist activity without being able to access every single one of their other messages, which is the exact invasion of privacy people like me are trying so hard to prevent.