Author Topic: Why doesn't Badspot make it open-source?  (Read 6694 times)

(And also that I don't think Badspot would ever release the source)

Maybe not publicly, 99% of the community wouldn't know what to do with it anyways. However there are quite a few people around that would make cool things for fun.

What's the last thing where you thought "why can't the engine do this"? Would you be able to make it yourself? Blockland could see a lot of progress in just a few months of community effort.

He could probably even sell open source v0002 for like a dollar on steam. People buy open source games on steam apparently.

He could probably even sell open source v0002 for like a dollar on steam. People buy open source games on steam apparently.

Noone has any use for that though. We want to take the current version of blockland, including all the optimizations badspot already made, and improve it.

He could probably even sell open source v0002 for like a dollar on steam. People buy open source games on steam apparently.
isnt v0002 all legoish? seems like he would get in trouble with Lego

isnt v0002 all legoish? seems like he would get in trouble with Lego

As long as he doesn't charge money for v0002 they can't really do anything.

I'm sure lego could try though.

We want to take the current version of blockland, including all the optimizations badspot already made, and improve it.

TBM had the same idea and look where that ended up.

Plus open source means more exploits.

RTB had that and backdoor stuff still fell through the cracks.
Because there weren't enough reviewers and the reviewers that there were were not dedicated enough to bother catching everything. A reviewing board is only as good as the members in it. It's not an issue in the system itself, just an issue of who does what.

Plus open source means more exploits.
It also means more exploits patched and fixed. It would about be equal to before.

It also means more exploits patched and fixed. It would about be equal to before.

And there could be a backdoor that could potentially wipe all your saves.

Sure it could get patched, that doesn't help people already affected.

And there could be a backdoor that could potentially wipe all your saves.

Sure it could get patched, that doesn't help people already affected.
A backdoor implies it was put there purposefully. Are you saying that Badspot cares about peoples save files enough to put a backdoor to be able to delete them? Because I'd seriously bring that into question.
Or even more generally, a backdoor of any kind. He's trying to run a business, if it were revealed that the game had a backdoor that allowed deletion of files, he would lose TONS of future sales (Imagine every review on steam calling him out as being a malicious douchebag), not just on Blockland but any future games he makes as well. It wouldn't be in his best interest, and Badspot isn't stupid.

But to address that in a more general sense, which you seem to be saying is "Until they get patched, having it open-source doesn't help the people affected."
Same goes for closed-source though. Until say, corner jumping or that walking-through-walls glitch, the people affected by it aren't helped by it being closed source.

I think, also, in this specific scenario, that having the system open-source wouldn't really increase the number of exploits. You see, Blockland is built on the Torque Game Engine, an engine whose code is available online if you're willing to do some looking. Many of the coders here have it already. Anyone who has experience in reverse engineering and finding exploits have probably already found the source code or just reverse engineered the EXE file, which is all you need to do to find exploits in the first place. If they haven't found it before, having the somewhat modified source probably won't help them much if at all.

I think the idea of limited-access open source is stupid. that's not even open source. it wouldn't encourage anything aside from elitism and bigger egos

Before anything is open source we need to get rid of this thing where people are incredibly possessive of their content. Mods, saves, any content.

There's been countless mods or saves shown off on the forums that were never actually released to the public, and every time this topic comes up on encouraging people to release their stuff more often, it always ends up with people calling other people entitled for wanting content to be released.

If the game were to be made open-source, it would kill me to see people make all kinds of cool mods and only use them for a server they hosted a couple times and then just dropped completely

In my experience, making add-ons ready to be used by anyone is the hardest part. All of my code is entirely console based, full of debug lines and uses constant ownership methods (my brickgroup for example). I assure you, I'm not keeping the things I make for myself out of greed, it would simply be too time consuming to make the code fool-proof and give it a logical interaction system (GUI). Like take the time I have spent working on it so far and match it at the very least.

In my experience, making add-ons ready to be used by anyone is the hardest part. All of my code is entirely console based, full of debug lines and uses constant ownership methods (my brickgroup for example). I assure you, I'm not keeping the things I make for myself out of greed, it would simply be too time consuming to make the code fool-proof and give it a logical interaction system (GUI). Like take the time I have spent working on it so far and match it at the very least.
pretty much everyone is comfortable using chat commands. but what you really need to do is think about what you're saying. "I don't share my stuff cus I think everyone is too dumb to figure it out"

i think its more about mod makers thinking that their mod is not quality in some way or form
for some people if it isn't 100% perfect then it is not in a releasable state in their eyes

trust me i've had that feeling more than once about a particular mod of mine

i think its more about mod makers thinking that their mod is not quality in some way or form
for some people if it isn't 100% perfect then it is not in a releasable state in their eyes

trust me i've had that feeling more than once about a particular mod of mine
Pretty much this was what I was getting at. I don't think they're too dumb to figure it out, if they have to even figure something out, it's not close enough to perfection.