POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[Cappytaino]

i'm not? i'm saying responding with aggression is going to make it more likely that missiles get launched and people die.

missiles get launched the second the regime realizes they're losing power.

A plutonium swan-song, if you will.

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[SeventhSandwich]

missiles get launched the second the regime realizes they're losing power.

but the Juche regime in North Korea has absolute power. their economy might be stuff, but they are unquestionably the ones in control of the country.

[Cappytaino]

but the Juche regime in North Korea has absolute power. their economy might be stuff, but they are unquestionably the ones in control of the country.

civil war isn't unrealistic. I'd imagine there's a contingent of the army that would jump at the chance if they see an opportunity. Imminent war with the US could drive a wedge between fatboy and his generals.

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I'd imagine it's hard to find people to talk about regime change with, let alone organize anything, without getting sent to a concentration camp

[Cappytaino]

I'd imagine it's hard to find people to talk about regime change with, let alone organize anything, without getting sent to a concentration camp

you're forgetting that NK is still using mostly archaic soviet-era technology

spying on people is hard when they communicate either in person or using brown townog methods like pen and paper.

[SeventhSandwich]

civil war isn't unrealistic.

Definitely not, but I haven't read anything about any rebel groups or attempted coups in NK. The problem as-it-is, is that they've got this cult of personality where even the victims of totalitarian rule are on-board because they've been taught since birth that their government is God.

Imminent war with the US could drive a wedge between fatboy and his generals.

Which is why I think we ought to wait it out until the military inevitably overthrows the Kim dynasty. They oust people from the upper echelons of North Korea all the time. There will be some sort of uprising in the North Korean ruling elite at some point.

[Nonnel]

you're forgetting that NK is still using mostly archaic soviet-era technology

spying on people is hard when they communicate either in person or using brown townog methods like pen and paper.

That's true, however they also have a tattletale system where everyone's required to report people badmouthing the regime or anything like that. Suggesting anything of the sort to anyone is a huge risk. (Plus whenever someone gets sent to a camp, IIRC their family gets sent, too.)

[Cappytaino]

That's true, however they also have a tattletale system where everyone's required to report people badmouthing the regime or anything like that. Suggesting anything of the sort to anyone is a huge risk. (Plus whenever someone gets sent to a camp, IIRC their family gets sent, too.)

but then that's just hearsay.

I'd hope a totalitarian regime, however tyrannical, isn't stupid enough to arrest their top generals in a game of he-said-she-said. Plausible deniability still exists unless there's a hard recording of the evidence.

NK's top generals probably understand that NK's position right now is perilously close to a war that they would inevitably lose, and lose quickly. A coup d'etat seems to be the preferable alternative to being bombed into submission and then charged for crimes against humanity for being part of a regime which enslaves tens of thousands of people, arrests political dissenters, and publicly executes people for petty crimes, among other atrocities.

I guarantee you that the generals know that fatboy is as incompetent as he seems.

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but then that's just hearsay.

I'd hope a totalitarian regime, however tyrannical, isn't stupid enough to arrest their top generals in a game of he-said-she-said

mmmmmboi idk man I think fat boy over there might be a special case of stupid

[Cappytaino]

mmmmmboi idk man I think fat boy over there might be a special case of stupid

Then he'll have crippled his own military by arresting his top strategists and gives the US the opportunity to come in and clean house.

[SeventhSandwich]

mmmmmboi idk man I think fat boy over there might be a special case of stupid

Fortunately he's not the guy manning the missile silos, and there are plenty of ways that the rest of the North Korean government could veto an order to launch nukes. Most of those situations probably just end in the generals breaking down the door of the North Korean oval-office-equivalent, and killing Kim Jong-Un.

[Cappytaino]

Fortunately he's not the guy manning the missile silos, and there are plenty of ways that the rest of the North Korean government could veto an order to launch nukes. Most of those situations probably just end in the generals breaking down the door of the North Korean oval-office-equivalent, and killing Kim Jong-Un.

Again, like I said, this is most likely. The generals know Dennis Rodman's Pal is the dictatorial equivalent of a special Ed student eating glue in the corner. They know he's weak but will wait for an opportunity to overthrow him. War with the US would be ideal because military resources would already be stretched thin defending from the American/Chinese/SK attack and Kim will have next to no ability to prevent top military officials from seizing power while also defending his country.

[SeventhSandwich]

War with the US would be ideal because military resources would already be stretched thin defending from the American/Chinese/SK attack and Kim will have next to no ability to prevent top military officials from seizing power while also defending his country.

The top North Korean military officials probably wouldn't survive a war with the US tho

[Cappytaino]

The top North Korean military officials probably wouldn't survive a war with the US tho

they'd be forgeted either way in a war with the US.

Think about it this way. Would you rather have incompetent fatboy as the wartime leader or military officials with actual knowledge of strategy and leadership experience?

The extent of Kim's leadership ability is "inspecting" stuff, eating food, and having his uncle eaten by dogs.

If they're forgeted anyway, the military would rather get the biggest obstacle out of the way first by eliminating incompetent Kim.

[SeventhSandwich]

they'd be forgeted either way in a war with the US.

Think about it this way. Would you rather have incompetent fatboy as the wartime leader or military officials with actual knowledge of strategy and leadership experience?

The extent of Kim's leadership ability is "inspecting" stuff, eating food, and having his uncle eaten by dogs.

If they're forgeted anyway, the military would rather get the biggest obstacle out of the way first by eliminating incompetent Kim.

I mean, I agree with everything you're saying, but I think that the most ideal situation, and the one we should be working towards, is not actually having a Korean War II, and just waiting for the North Korean government to collapse naturally.