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Author Topic: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD  (Read 2179760 times)

He said he condemned the violence, what do you want from him?
It's milk-toast. He condemns 'the hate' but won't say what it is. He wants to stop 'the violence' but won't say whose violence it is. He sees the MAGA hats in the rally and realizes that he's gotta pick his words carefully, since he's got voters in there. That's what people are pissed about.

Stop asking people to jump through hoops to satisfy you, that's bullstuff man.
He's a public official. That's literally his job. He works for me and everyone else who lives here.

And that's what it should really boil down to: keeping your protests and demonstrations peaceful, and condemning violence. The protest was legal and nonviolent until it became violent, that's a fact. Them being neo-national socialists or white supremacists doesn't make that any less true. Speech is not violence. Protesting is not inherently violent.
I agree with what you're saying here, but there's a double-standard. Right around the time of the murders of Freddie Gray and Philando Castile, the right-wing mantra was that Black Lives Matter is a dangerous ideology because of the fact that a select number of their supporters chose riots and violence as a means of protest. When Neo-national socialists started to come out in force after the election, the mantra was that they were 'harmless' because they weren't violently protesting.

Now, we've seen violence at the hands of white supremacists, but no equivalent call to 'label them as a terrorist organization' or laws to legally-mandate that they get mowed down for protesting on streets. That's the problem I'm seeing. We've been saying so far that the mitigating factor here is the use of violent protest, but there haven't been equitable responses to two different violent protests.

I don't support violent protest, and I think that anyone who burns cop cars or storefronts to settle their disputes in a democratic society is an starfish. But anyone who is quicker to label Black Lives Matter as terrorists, versus car-murdering Neo-national socialists, is an starfish on a whole other order of magnitude. Because that represents implicit support of their ideology, and that's just forgeted up.

But anyone who is quicker to label Black Lives Matter as terrorists, versus car-murdering Neo-national socialists, is an starfish on a whole other order of magnitude. Because that represents implicit support of their ideology, and that's just forgeted up.

who is doing that


who is doing that
Anyone who called for BLM to be labeled as such but have remained suspiciously silent in response to the national socialists in Charlottesville.

So, basically everyone who signed the petition in that thread ultimamax linked. I haven't surveyed them, but I've got a pretty strong hunch.


you know i think that car attack was terrorism too right
That's a good point, though I don't think you explicitly called it out before

i can't remember 12 hours back

you know i think that car attack was terrorism too right
I do, and I know that virtually everyone on the forums knows that too.

I think a big part of the reason why this double-standard exists is because admitting that we have a national socialist problem confirms what a lot of liberals have been saying, which is that we don't live in a post-racial society. These problems still exist and there are plenty of bigoted people that still live in our country, even though their voices aren't nearly as loud as they used to be.

That contradicts a lot of the conservative thought on race issues, which sure sucks, but seeing is believing. In our uber-polarized, partisan political climate, nobody on the right wants to admit that the left is correct about anything (and vice-versa). But there is no post-racial society when thousands of people are marching down the street carrying torches and waving national socialist salutes.

Not even Antifa. Just normal, everyday peaceful protestors. You can see in the video it's just a bunch of bystanders that get mowed down by this guy, completely unprompted. One even died I think.

What kind of protesters were they? What were they protesting?

What kind of protesters were they? What were they protesting?
Counter-protestors. People who came out to protest against the national socialist protest. The cops have already basically confirmed that the guy in the car was a white supremacist committing a terrorist attack.

His side of the story is that he felt 'afraid for his car', but if you watch the video, the guy comes barrelling out of nowhere at full speed and charges directly into the densest crowd of protestors he can find. It was clearly a deliberate attack and he's probably going away for life.

I do, and I know that virtually everyone on the forums knows that too.

I think a big part of the reason why this double-standard exists is because admitting that we have a national socialist problem confirms what a lot of liberals have been saying, which is that we don't live in a post-racial society. These problems still exist and there are plenty of bigoted people that still live in our country, even though their voices aren't nearly as loud as they used to be.

That contradicts a lot of the conservative thought on race issues, which sure sucks, but seeing is believing. In our uber-polarized, partisan political climate, nobody on the right wants to admit that the left is correct about anything. But there is no post-racial society when thousands of people are marching down the street carrying torches and waving national socialist salutes.
Its cognitive dissonance on both sides, thinking that extremes aren't possible on "their" side of the aisle.

Unhinged people need to be denounced and that's the core of the problem, we have a President that expects to lead a united country while not explicitly denouncing his innermost base when they act up.

Counter-protestors. People who came out to protest against the national socialist protest. The cops have already basically confirmed that the guy in the car was a white supremacist committing a terrorist attack.

His side of the story is that he felt 'afraid for his car', but if you watch the video, the guy comes barrelling out of nowhere at full speed and charges directly into the densest crowd of protestors he can find. It was clearly a deliberate attack and he's probably going away for life.

MFW neo national socialists are adopting muslim terrorist tactics.

MFW neo national socialists are adopting muslim terrorist tactics.

what a world we live in


it's time for a party