Are any people in America actually oppressed?

[Perry]

The same people always bring up the same arguments, about how black people would be successful if they tried. How about this: if you become a father, try leaving your children. Try not supporting your family and letting your single mother ex struggle to raise her child. Then watch as they move to a more affordable neighborhood in order to stay alive. Watch how the child is forced to attend a stuffty school because of his/her economic status, and watch as their chances of success slowly decrease to a 2-3%.

Once you can witness this happening in real time, come back to me and i'll admit my wrongs.

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[Perry]

We're literally stuck in an endless cycle of poor parenthood, educational neglect & poor self esteem. The only way to leave that cycle is for us to either win the loving lottery or for the education system to be vastly reformed. Until then, the worst thing you can do as an outside individual is dismiss this issue.

[ultimamax]

love it when middle class white people talk about that bootstraps stuff
keep it coming babes

We're literally stuck in an endless cycle of poor parenthood, educational neglect & poor self esteem. The only way to leave that cycle is for us to either win the loving lottery or for the education system to be vastly reformed. Until then, the worst thing you can do as an outside individual is dismiss this issue.

the only solution is the abolishment of capitalism unless you have a better idea to end poverty

[SlayerZ99]

um
did you know that
if the parents cant afford a good school for their children
then they probably dont have a good job
because they probably also didnt get good grades
which means if the student choses to do good rather than blame it on "muh stuff enviornment"
then his children can have a better life too
and thus the concept of "black people have unfair education system!!! BURN ALL WHITES!!!" doesnt apply...

He's an alternative
Marcus is raised in a fairly poor district in the city
Raised by two parents who constantly works, Marcus faces the difficulty of growing up without a lot of supervision or guidance
Marcus has a few friends in the same situation as him who he bonds with and usually hangs out with after school
Marcus school has very little funding therefore lack of teachers, proper lunches, after school programs, tutoring, etc.
Marcus can't get the help he needs in school, the lack of educated teachers leaves him frustrated and struggling with him assignments, he can't get any after school tutoring or help from his mother because she was also raised in this poor school district
The next decent school district in 30 miles away and Marcus has no way of getting there
Frustrated, Marcus drops out of school because he finds the subjects and concepts difficult to grasp and he really doesn't have anyone to show him how
Now Marcus is uneducated and still living in his same old neighborhood isn't really left with a lot of options
No one besides minimum wage jobs wants to hire him, so hes stuck making minimum wage in a job he can't move up in

Sure you can break the mold and make it out or have luck and have a child excel at school but when you grow up with little positive influence in an area with extremely under funded school system, breaking out of this mold is really difficult. So now the only people you have are the people who are just like you and the people you've grown up with so you stay in the same area. Not everyone in these areas is loving Will Hunting

Others on the other hand
Probably raised with parents or relatives who were also educated through high school and maybe beyond
Live in an area that has a decent school system that receives funding and probably offers extra help and after school programs
Probably live in a relatively safe neighborhood
So they grow up in a good neighborhood among people who received a decent education and can help guide them properly
High schools a breeze because when you cant figure stuff out you can run to your parents or teacher or tutor and they'll tell you the answer
Next thing you know youre walking out with a diploma and youre on to Uni on mommy and daddy's dime
Then you get to bitch about how "muh stuff environment" isn't an actual argument although everything in life has been easy for you and you've had any help you've needed along the way

Until you have any idea how helpful a proper education with proper guidance is, then I suggest you shut the forget up

Not everyone get's the same opportunities as others, that's a given, but why is what Willy is saying wrong? Doing good in a stuffty school doesn't mean you won't do good in life, even if you do bad in a loving great school, it doesn't mean you won't do good in life.

Look at Kendrick Lamar, he was from a poor family straight in the middle of Compton and now is a millionaire, much like dozens of other rappers.

Success isn't limited by skin pigment.

Of course you can be successful and bring yourself out of a stuffty environment but when you aren't given a great opportunity it is hell of a lot harder

[Magus]

Relevant Discworld quote on the cycle of poverty:
“The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money.

Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles.

But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.

This was the Captain Samuel Vimes 'Boots' theory of socioeconomic unfairness.”

[Poliwhirl]

poor people are poor because they are lazy and spend money on stupid stuff they dont need

spoken like a bougie, tovarish

[ReddBoi]

when u ask a yes no question and it sparks a forum debate

[Red Spy]

um
did you know that
if the parents cant afford a good school for their children
then they probably dont have a good job
because they probably also didnt get good grades
which means if the student choses to do good rather than blame it on "muh stuff enviornment"
then his children can have a better life too
and thus the concept of "black people have unfair education system!!! BURN ALL WHITES!!!" doesnt apply...

um did you know that
when you enslave an entire race
and then leave them with no money
lynch them randomly to fuel your own hatred
segregate them and force them to settle for less
they have no money
they raise children in an environment where theres no money
and half of the country hates them
they grow up feeling discouraged
they have a child
they still have no money
the cycle still repeats

Life is like a track and field race. White people cut a leg off of the black race, and now they expect them to magically run the race as if they never lost that leg. Very few people are lucky and manage to become successful, but the majority just ends up stumbling around in agony. And you know whats worse? They get called lazy.

Um
Did you know that
You both sound like smug dipstuffs
Trying to sound smart

But what about the asians that do better than whites? Do they have a bike in this race? What type of bike? Is it bamboo? Was it made it China or Vietnam? Is it rice powered?

I do believe in the proven fact that white people have more privileges than any other race in the united states.

Again, the asians, Path

The same people always bring up the same arguments, about how black people would be successful if they tried. How about this: if you become a father, try leaving your children. Try not supporting your family and letting your single mother ex struggle to raise her child. Then watch as they move to a more affordable neighborhood in order to stay alive. Watch how the child is forced to attend a stuffty school because of his/her economic status, and watch as their chances of success slowly decrease to a 2-3%.

Once you can witness this happening in real time, come back to me and i'll admit my wrongs.

How's that welfare state working out for you

Wait no that's an oxymoron

>Welfare
>Working

the only solution is the abolishment of capitalism unless you have a better idea to end poverty

when u ask a yes no question and it sparks a forum debate

You say that like it's not to be expected

[ultimamax]

spoken like a bougie, tovarish

we need a fullcommunism thread

[The Resonte!]

unless you have a better idea to end poverty

yes. war.








maybe.

[Poliwhirl]

we need a fullcommunism thread

agreed

[McZealot]

gonna repost my wage gape summary because i think that not only should more people know but i think a lot of you will also argue with me over it (which you should do with everything)

The wage gape is certainly real, but not even close to widespread and massively exaggerated. It's impossible to deny some business are loveist or prefer men and since just a handful of example can prove a claim like that wrong, I'd recommend you say something more along the lines of 'The 77% figure is a gross exaggeration.'

My mother worked at a lawfirm that actually paid the top-paid female less than the lowest-paid male. They weren't allowed to disclose their salaries, and I guess the firm just thought that women would settle for lower pay. My mom discovered with doing some accounting work for them and later quit.

77% to the dollar is ridiculously misleading. It's gained by adding the full salaries of all men and all women, when in truth women (statistically) aren't as ambitious in their careers, take more vacation time, tend to work less-demanding hours, and of course, get pregnant. This also causes many of them to leave the workplace for a number of years to raise children, so the false-gap grows. Men and women doing the same amount of work in the same place usually have a 3-4% divide, and I think that's because women tend to settle for a bit less.

So, yes, it is real. No, it's not as bad as they say.

[IkeTheGeneric]

love it when middle class white people talk about that bootstraps stuff

Who the hell are you talking about? This is some strawman stuff right here

[ultimamax]

gonna repost my wage gape summary because i think that not only should more people know but i think a lot of you will also argue with me over it (which you should do with everything)

I don't like this argument. You write it off by saying that women aren't as ambitious and that they tend to settle for less, when that is literally one of the causes of the wage gap that feminists are trying to diagnose.

No one is saying those things don't happen, but rather that they shoudn't happen, because its socialized. That does lead into the whole nature vs nurture debate which I refuse to get into, but I think it's fair to say that whether things are nature or nurture is basically up to your individual interpretation, since the lines are so fuzzy. I choose to take things like the wage gap as being a nurture/socialization thing based on evidence and on the idea that being wrong about it being nurture/socialized is probably more just than being wrong about it being nature. (And that idea of justice is another thing that's based on the ideology of the individual basically)

Who the hell are you talking about? This is some strawman stuff right here

im talking about rambo and anyone else pretending the cycle of poverty doesnt exist

[Clownfish]

some of ya'll gotta take a look in a mirror and think about what you're doing right now smh