transgenders allowed in navy july 1st

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To disqualify capable people is nothing short of discrimination.
And? Not all discrimination is bad? Do you want men playing in women's sports? Our military policy should be made such to allow for the most effective military. Nothing else matters, certainly not "equality."


Anyway, whether or not it's worth letting transgender people in boils down to two questions:
1. Is the effort required to screen and reject all the transgender people that inevitably won't pass the relevant tests worth the benefit gained by the few who do pass and contribute to the military as a result?
2. Are there things we simply can't test for that are significantly more likely to be issues with transgender people? For example, women can be tested for push ups or run speed, but even those women who pass the tests will break bones more often, be more likely to get UTIs and be more likely to be loveually assaulted while being less likely to adequately defend themselves. Just to name a few things you can't really test for, but could (in aggregate) justify discrimination.

I think you misunderstand. YOU are the one claiming that there will be no significant difference between all transgender people, no matter their personality, physicality, mentality, or any other trait, and transgender people who apply, and, importantly, get into the navy. In case you didn't know, getting into the navy is not an easy thing to do. It's extremely competitive, requires you to have very competitive GPA and SAT scores, excellent body fat levels, and overall excellent physicality, not to mention having a personality that's compatible with taking and following challenging orders to a T over and over again without complaint. It demands a specific set of high-level skills so much so that only 6% of people ever get in once they've applied. They are not remotely the same demographic and you cannot assume that the statistics will even be remotely the same.

This post is so laughably misinformed I had to take a minute to make sure I didn't misunderstand it.

First off, as someone who has been in the navy for 3 years, getting in is not difficult. There is no GPA requirement at all (only a high school degree) and while it theoretically requires a 41 on the ASVAB, I've personally known it to be waived. A culinary specialist in my bootcamp division got in with a 26 on the ASVAB.

The physical requirements are also almost non-existent. As long as you are able-bodied and aren't a complete bitch you will become a sailor. Again, someone in my bootcamp showed up and couldn't do 10 pushups, and it took them 18 minutes to run the 1.5 mile run. At the end of bootcamp, he could still only do about 10 push ups (the staff at bootcamp will lie about your push ups and sit ups on paper because if more people pass, it looks better on them) and was able to finish his run in 13 minutes.

At MEPS, you are actively encouraged to lie about your medical conditions so that they can push you through. Again, their performance is decided based on how many new recruits they get, not so much the quality. I've personally known people to admit they had ADHD, and then the doctor tell them to keep that a secret if they want to be in the military. Again, if you lie about your psychological history the navy will purposefully neglect to look into it.

What you posted were the acceptance rates for the US NAVAL ACADEMY, which is a university for prospective naval officers. The fact you know so little about the military makes it difficult to talk sense to you.

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Our military policy should be made such to allow for the most effective military.

It should be, but the navy is so laughably inefficient with the way it employs people that it's almost comical.

For example, there is a guy on my ship whose entire job is to sit and watch a trash can. If it gets full, he takes it out. He sits in front of that trash can for 8 hours, until its another guy's turn to sit and watch the trash can for 8 hours. This trash can is manned 24 hours a day.

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All you morons are under some sort of delusion like the military isn't planning to screen transgenders like they would with anyone else. The quality will remain constant--they aren't changing the test criteria to make it so any lightweight Tumblrkin can sail off to the Middle East.

.....why wouldn't they be allowed

For example, there is a guy on my ship whose entire job is to sit and watch a trash can. If it gets full, he takes it out. He sits in front of that trash can for 8 hours, until its another guy's turn to sit and watch the trash can for 8 hours. This trash can is manned 24 hours a day.
Is trash guard an actual rating? That would be great.

All you morons are under some sort of delusion like the military isn't planning to screen transgenders like they would with anyone else. The quality will remain constant--they aren't changing the test criteria to make it so any lightweight Tumblrkin can sail off to the Middle East.
And we're saying that being transgendered should be enough in itself to disqualify them. It is a mental disorder like any other.

All you morons are under some sort of delusion like the military isn't planning to screen transgenders like they would with anyone else.

If you bothered to read my post above, the "screening" is laughable. Even when I got special screening for my nuke clearance it was a questionnaire that anyone with a brain could figure out what answers they wanted. Basically it's all questions like:

Quote
I believe that the US government should be violently overthrown if their laws contradict my personal views.

[] agree
[] disagree

.....why wouldn't they be allowed

US military up until this point has rightfully classified gender identity disorder as a mental illness

mental illness preclude military service.

Is trash guard an actual rating? That would be great.

it's because the culinary specialists (CS) on our ship just stopped running 1/2 the facilities, even shutting down the scullery so we have to use disposable plates and flatware, and now there is so little work to do that some of them are doing BS jobs like that

All you morons are under some sort of delusion like the military isn't planning to screen transgenders like they would with anyone else. The quality will remain constant--they aren't changing the test criteria to make it so any lightweight Tumblrkin can sail off to the Middle East.

there's not much further to drop

All you morons are under some sort of delusion like the military isn't planning to screen transgenders like they would with anyone else. The quality will remain constant--they aren't changing the test criteria to make it so any lightweight Tumblrkin can sail off to the Middle East.
Even if they pass the tests I still have two main concerns:
Anyway, whether or not it's worth letting transgender people in boils down to two questions:
1. Is the effort required to screen and reject all the transgender people that inevitably won't pass the relevant tests worth the benefit gained by the few who do pass and contribute to the military as a result?
2. Are there things we simply can't test for that are significantly more likely to be issues with transgender people? For example, women can be tested for push ups or run speed, but even those women who pass the tests will break bones more often, be more likely to get UTIs and be more likely to be loveually assaulted while being less likely to adequately defend themselves. Just to name a few things you can't really test for, but could (in aggregate) justify discrimination.

US military up until this point has rightfully classified gender identity disorder as a mental illness

mental illness preclude military service.
oh, ok. well, it is a diagnosable mental illness under DSM-V, tho i suppose it isn't necessarily one that impairs function in the same way as disorders such as ptsd, anxiety disorders, etc.

duno, seems reasonable to me that gender dysphoria patients would be allowed now that people of both lovees are allowed


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oh, ok. well, it is a diagnosable mental illness under DSM-V, tho i suppose it isn't necessarily one that impairs function in the same way as disorders such as ptsd, anxiety disorders, etc.

duno, seems reasonable to me that gender dysphoria patients would be allowed now that people of both lovees are allowed
you're definitely right, it doesn't impair function or combat ability for that matter in any way.

nice, looks like our navy is becoming more inclusive. took them long enough too
cant tell if sarcasm or serious


the navy doesn't do stuff anyway so eh

they could employ gerbils for all I care.

the only good thing to come out of the navy was the f-14

This news might carry some weight if your backwater military division actually did anything, Stocking. When was the last time you heard of the Navy doing something cool?