Richard Spencer gets bulied by woman in gym, loses gym membership

[Tactical Nuke]

I do think it's weird that we're implying losing a gym membership equates to having your life ruined

I equate having your life ruined to being treated like stuff constantly for no justifiable reason

he's a nerd but he doesn't deserve getting "punched" in the face nor losing his gym membership because somebody else was acting rude towards him

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[auzman466]

businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone. i wouldn't want an actual national socialist in my business, either.

the fact that he goes to that gym would have been released regardless, so it's safe to say that having protestors gathering around a dude as he's working out is both unsafe and bad for business. fully justified in kicking this sorry excuse for a man out.

i mean, Riddler had similar ideas.
we should burn the white supremacists too

if the gym kicked out a famous, prolific gay man who believed gay people are fundamentally better than straight people, there'd be a lot of backlash. but this is okay.
i don't agree with richard spencer's ideologies, but he was not in the wrong.

[ultimamax]

it is the same thing in a very particular sense: you're letting a business owner act as a moral arbitrator. if you allow businesses to be authoritative on what is and isn't acceptable, you immediately legitimize and create a pedestal for real discrimination. this is the fundamental problem with 'religious freedom' bills that allow business to do this, and the same principle does apply here. this is the sort of thing where a blanket statement on a particular ideology or trait is what's dangerous. the reality of the situation here is that this was not a blanket action, this was an action against a very specific individual for specific circumstances, and that is what makes this different. if a business has legitimate reason to believe that continuing to provide service to a customer will have a real negative impact on their business function, i would say it's very reasonable to deny service, and i get the impression that this is what happened here.

I think the reasons I gave were decidedly not moral (employee/customer comfortability and public relations) and that would differentiate it from 'religious freedom' type stuff.

Also Poli told me someone said I was banned, I haven't been banned that was a lie

[otto-san]

I think the reasons I gave were decidedly not moral (employee/customer comfortability and public relations) and that would differentiate it from 'religious freedom' type stuff.

Also Poli told me someone said I was banned, I haven't been banned that was a lie

i would definitely say that those reasons are valid so long as they are genuine concerns

[Ragequit]

but was he ? ? ?

do u think im disagreeing with u because im not and i will loving end you if you do

[Rooged]

wow
this forum is run by a tone-deaf libertarian

to everyone who says this is just a matter of his opinion, that his opinion shouldn't make a difference, yadda yadda....

if it were as simple as it being as insignificant as an opinion, that would be a complete different story. it's not like the gym kicked him out for disliking pineapple, or thinking the color yellow is obnoxious, or enjoying the star wars prequels (sorry nerds)

the whole "its just his opinion" argument gets thrown out when you see the things he has done to propagate his opinion. this is not just 'his opinion,' it is a culmination of his work at the local and national levels. this man has done his part in influencing members of our society, and that work must be acknowledged when discussing whether or not it was just a "matter of opinion"

and here's my personal opinion, not what i believe should be law (well, deep down maybe, but i won't say it) but what i believe should be a rule of society - opinions and ideologies that actively seek to harm any group of people, should not be taken seriously at any level and should be condemned at all levels.

[Ceist]

wow
this forum is run by a tone-deaf libertarian

to everyone who says this is just a matter of his opinion, that his opinion shouldn't make a difference, yadda yadda....

if it were as simple as it being as insignificant as an opinion, that would be a complete different story. it's not like the gym kicked him out for disliking pineapple, or thinking the color yellow is obnoxious, or enjoying the star wars prequels (sorry nerds)

the whole "its just his opinion" argument gets thrown out when you see the things he has done to propagate his opinion. this is not just 'his opinion,' it is a culmination of his work at the local and national levels. this man has done his part in influencing members of our society, and that work must be acknowledged when discussing whether or not it was just a "matter of opinion"

and here's my personal opinion, not what i believe should be law (well, deep down maybe, but i won't say it) but what i believe should be a rule of society - opinions and ideologies that actively seek to harm any group of people, should not be taken seriously at any level and should be condemned at all levels.

i couldn't have said it better.

[Rykuta]

Badspot tries, unsuccessfully to explain the core principle of freedom of speech and expression to those who wish not to hear it.

[Trogtor]

Badspot tries, unsuccessfully to explain the core principle of freedom of speech and expression to those who wish not to hear it.

nobody didnt need to hear stuff though the guy was lifting weights to himself.

[Darryl McKoy]

Badspot tries, unsuccessfully to explain the core principle of freedom of speech and expression to those who wish not to hear it.

What about freedom of establishments to deny service? We're not talking about public institutions here.

Strip out the hyperbole from Badspot's posts and there's not much left. I'm still not sure why this guy getting kicked out is a bad thing.

[Tactical Nuke]

oh this thread is still going

Richard Spencer is the biggest cigarette of a national socialist I've ever loving seen. I think it's hilarious to see people like Leisure and Poli do a complete 180 and hold this cowardly, slithering log of stuff up as a legitimate threat to society, meanwhile, they laugh at conservatives for supposedly holding up a "boogeyman" in Antifa. There is nothing this man could accomplish. He got punched in the face and then ran away. Would any other skinhead that you've seen or fantasized do that? Edward Norton would have torn that guy's arms off and put seven bullets in his richard. The most Spencer has done in the past year to spark "fears" is to engage in prick-waving with a bunch of other of his forget-buddies in a park, where they took "torches" and shouted at people for several minutes. I'm surprised he goes to the gym at all.

That business has about as much right as do Christian and Muslim (don't forget them!) bakers have to refuse service to whoever the forget they want, for whatever reason. The free market will judge them accordingly, plus there are a million other bakeries gay couples can get cakes at and a million other gyms where Richie can jack off. That doesn't make it any less handicapped that they revoked his membership instead of the woman who actually started stuff.

[Deus Ex]

nobody didnt need to hear stuff though the guy was lifting weights to himself.

I think you misunderstood his post

What about freedom of establishments to deny service? We're not talking about public institutions here.

Strip out the hyperbole from Badspot's posts and there's not much left. I'm still not sure why this guy getting kicked out is a bad thing.

Richard Spencer goes to a gym, works out, minds his business, gets bothered by some hysterical random, and HE gets his membership revoked, and you don't see the issue? How hard is it to understand? What the forget

[Juncoph]

i couldn't have said it better.

you know, politicians like to twist words

when you outlaw speech that aims to harm a group, politicians will then claim that the opposing side is trying to harm them. this is why you can't just outlaw neo-national socialistsm

now, if the group is observed actually attacking people (kool kids klub when it was 1 group, antifa, etc) then yes they should be arrested

[Deus Ex]

I don't even understand why people have this idea that words are harmful? If Richard Spencer is saying something you don't like, then step out of audio range of him? Or better yet, you let him talk, then you refute his ideas the way it's supposed to go? Do his ideas even need to be refuted? Come on people, good christ.

[Badspot]

this forum is run by a tone-deaf libertarian

The argument against me is "businesses can do whatever they want, the free market will sort it out" and I'm the tone-deaf libertarian? 

What about freedom of establishments to deny service? We're not talking about public institutions here.

Because if you make that argument, you pave the way for racially segregated businesses to come back.  You cannot defend banning Spencer without supporting his cause.  It's an inherently hypocritical position.  You can't just mindlessly try to score points any time someone on the "other team" gets fouled, you have to defend the integrity of the game. 

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