Religious Views?

[Nymethus]

To put it in even better explanation, I'm thinking about the forums therefore they may or may not exist :3

but the forums clearly exist. they exist becayse they're there & they also have reason and purpose

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[Nymethus]

You obviously haven't understood. If something can't be measured, you can't say for sure what is there, if anything. You could check whether your leaf did exist because you are placing it in a position where it can be measured.

If something can be in an infinite amount of possible states with equal probability, choosing one would be illogical.

I think of an invisible leaf floating a million miles above your head OR ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE UNIVERSE. Now because I thought about it this leaf may or may not exist. This is a handicapped way of reasoning.

better?

sorry for dubletoste

[Kill All]

but the forums clearly exist. they exist becayse they're there & they also have reason and purpose

The leaf exists just not in a tangible place.

[Nymethus]

The leaf exists just not in a tangible place.

how do you know if the leaf exists or not!

[Kill All]

how do you know if the leaf exists or not!

If you think about it or imagine it, it exists in your mind :D
So people bring about the existence of things within their imagination.

[Nymethus]

If you think about it or imagine it, it exists in your mind :D
So people bring about the existence of things within their imagination.

so god is imaginary? I'm not sure what you're trying to add to the discussion here

[Kill All]

so god is imaginary? I'm not sure what you're trying to add to the discussion here

Nonsense and confusion.

[Quark]

The example has obviously confused you, sorry.

God can't be measured. God exists outside of the laws of science. Therefore, no experiment can be performed to determine whether God exists or not. This is then generalised to the fact that anything that operated outside of the Universe could not be empirically tested for. So anything COULD exist outside of the Universe, but as we have no way of checking and will never have any such method, assuming there to be a God or for there specifically not to be a God is pointless. You can never prove yourself right or wrong. Making an informed and logical decision relies on having proof or proof being a possibility. As proof is an impossibility under these circumstances, such a decision would not be a logical one.

[Nymethus]

The example has obviously confused you, sorry.

God can't be measured. God exists outside of the laws of science. Therefore

Hold on with your therefores. How do you know these things?

[Kill All]

Hold on with your therefores. How do you know these things?

Because we can't measure something which is not physically present.

[Nymethus]

Because we can't measure something which is not physically present.

what do you mean and what do you mean with "physically present"

[Quark]

Sorry, I thought this was a given. Let me justify. Before the Universe, God must have existed. So we can deduce God was at least not always within in the Universe. Assuming the Omnipotence, Omniscience and Omnipresence of God, he could not operate within the laws of science (he would be breaking the conservation of mass, energy and information laws). Therefore, the only reasonable way of excepting both Science and God is that God created the Universe from outside of it and 'looks in' so to speak.

[Kill All]

what do you mean and what do you mean with "physically present"

Intangible,
can you see, hear, touch, smell, or taste God?

[Nymethus]

I think the laws of science are always everywhere cause why wouldn't they.

Intangible,
can you see, hear, touch, smell, or taste God?

I can't see hear touch smell or taste energy in empty space either

[Supreme Guy]

so wait, quark, do you believe in that christian god or just a god?

also why did he have to exist before the universe? so we know for a fact that all we know was created by him? implying that's why he exists after all, to serve the roll as omnipotent creator.

Also, nymethus has a point there.