Author Topic: iPhone 6/iOS 8 Launch is basically a disaster (Read 18832 times)

blueblur121 · September 25, 2014, 01:02:56 PM

Quote from: Frankie² on September 25, 2014, 12:58:08 PM

why? its the truth, i dont think apple is gonna allow terminals on the appstore just to appease a tiny amount of cry babies

It would take exactly zero effort to just allow people to use a command line. There is no reason to not allow it.

Quote from: Frankie² on September 25, 2014, 12:58:08 PM

besides there being literally no reason to use one at all

Except maybe you want to install a custom package not available on the appstore. Or maybe doing anything that does not rely fully on the appstore.
And that isn't even an argument. "Most people don't need it, so it should stay banned from the appstore."

Quote from: Frankie² on September 25, 2014, 12:58:08 PM

why? a terminal provides no realistic benefits

As of now, we are unable to access the main storage device on our phones.

Quote from: Frankie² on September 25, 2014, 12:58:08 PM

or you just stop whining about something you dont even need lol

Give me one reason why terminal emulators aren't allowed on the appstore.

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Ipquarx · September 25, 2014, 01:06:27 PM

Quote from: blueblur121 on September 25, 2014, 01:02:56 PM

Give me one reason why terminal emulators aren't allowed on the appstore.

because people who don't know what they're loving doing will accidentally forget stuff up, it's not that hard to understand

SpongeCraft1212 · September 25, 2014, 01:07:13 PM

Finally downgrading to iOS 6/7 today.

Frankie� · September 25, 2014, 01:07:36 PM

Quote from: blueblur121 on September 25, 2014, 01:02:56 PM

It would take exactly zero effort to just allow people to use a command line. There is no reason to not allow it.

it doesnt make sense to have a phone pride itself on simplicity then have a terminal
you're complaining about not having something you really shouldnt have to use at all, especially on a phone

Quote from: blueblur121 on September 25, 2014, 01:02:56 PM

Except maybe you want to install a custom package not available on the appstore. Or maybe doing anything that does not rely fully on the appstore.

yeah thats totally not a bad idea at all, no chance that people wont find an exploit to install malware or something
theres a reason everything goes through the appstore, you know

Quote from: blueblur121 on September 25, 2014, 01:02:56 PM

As of now, we are unable to access the main storage device on our phones.

and?

Quote from: blueblur121 on September 25, 2014, 01:02:56 PM

Give me one reason why terminal emulators aren't allowed on the appstore.

this is a redundant question thats already been answered

ultimamax · September 25, 2014, 01:08:15 PM

It's the same rhetoric behind making jailbreaking void warranty. You are choosing to delve deeper into the more complicated side of your device for the perks of higher customizability and more freedom. If jailbreaking were easy or not punished (by voiding warranty) many more people would do it, since it is purely an improvement to the device. If more and more people are doing this easily, they're going to be breaking their devices more often.

blueblur121 · September 25, 2014, 01:08:27 PM

Quote from: Ipquarx on September 25, 2014, 01:06:27 PM

because people who don't know what they're loving doing will accidentally forget stuff up, it's not that hard to understand

I already said before that you should need to enable some sort of "developer mode" like you can on a Mac. On a Mac, if you enable developer mode (which is pretty easily accessable IIRC) you can install custom tarballs and things like that. It allows you to do a lot more.

Quote from: ultimamax on September 25, 2014, 01:08:15 PM

It's the same rhetoric behind making jailbreaking void warranty. You are choosing to delve deeper into the more complicated side of your device for the perks of higher customizability and more freedom. If jailbreaking were easy or not punished (by voiding warranty) many more people would do it, since it is purely an improvement to the device. If more and more people are doing this easily, they're going to be breaking their devices more often.

But then why is apple actively trying to prevent users from jailbreaking? With each update there are new measures to prevent users from modifying their device.

SgtDaemon · September 25, 2014, 01:09:52 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKd6gT3Kz10&feature=youtu.be

good ole' hungarian problem solving

BlockoCrafter · September 25, 2014, 01:13:46 PM

Quote from: Ipquarx on September 25, 2014, 12:41:36 PM

Neither blockocrafter OR blueblur know what they're talking about.

I have to admit this...

Quote from: Ipquarx on September 25, 2014, 01:06:27 PM

because people who don't know what they're loving doing will accidentally forget stuff up, it's not that hard to understand

Although I was trying to say this the whole time but I can't words today.

blueblur121 · September 25, 2014, 01:14:35 PM

Quote from: SgtDaemon on September 25, 2014, 01:09:52 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKd6gT3Kz10&feature=youtu.be

good ole' hungarian problem solving

Lol. I would like to see how well the camera worked after that.

ultimamax · September 25, 2014, 01:16:38 PM

Quote from: blueblur121 on September 25, 2014, 01:08:27 PM

But then why is apple actively trying to prevent users from jailbreaking? With each update there are new measures to prevent users from modifying their device.

Because they don't want users breaking their devices. I don't understand your need for freedom with the device. Apple is not marketing this phone to you. They'd rather alienate a group of people who want to forget with their phones than risk their integrity among the masses. Thus, they offer security over freedom.

blueblur121 · September 25, 2014, 01:30:05 PM

Quote from: ultimamax on September 25, 2014, 01:16:38 PM

Because they don't want users breaking their devices.

Please read the other thing I said. On a mac, you have the ability to enable "developer mode" which allows you to modify system files, install tarballs, etc.

What I'm trying to say is that this should be available.

Quote from: ultimamax on September 25, 2014, 01:16:38 PM

I don't understand your need for freedom with the device. Apple is not marketing this phone to you. They'd rather alienate a group of people who want to forget with their phones than risk their integrity among the masses. Thus, they offer security over freedom.

But it's not like I have a choice. My parents just give me whatever phone they're not using anymore.

If I could switch to android I would.

Crispy_ · September 25, 2014, 01:32:17 PM

Quote from: ultimamax on September 25, 2014, 01:16:38 PM

Because they don't want users breaking their devices. I don't understand your need for freedom with the device. Apple is not marketing this phone to you. They'd rather alienate a group of people who want to forget with their phones than risk their integrity among the masses. Thus, they offer security over freedom.

exactly. iphones are aimed at more... how should i say this... ignorant users. generally you want to keep things simple and dumbed down for these kind of people...

blueblur121 · September 25, 2014, 01:33:38 PM

Quote from: Crispy_ on September 25, 2014, 01:32:17 PM

exactly. iphones are aimed at more... how should i say this... ignorant users. generally you want to keep things simple and dumbed down for these kind of people...

I wouldn't use the word "ignorant" if I were you. I would just say it's for users who would rather have an easy to use phone, and don't really care about what it can't do.

BlockoCrafter · September 25, 2014, 01:34:28 PM

Quote from: Crispy_ on September 25, 2014, 01:32:17 PM

exactly. iphones are aimed at more... how should i say this... ignorant users. generally you want to keep things simple and dumbed down for these kind of people...

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blueblur121 · September 25, 2014, 01:36:12 PM

Quote from: BlockoCrafter on September 25, 2014, 01:34:28 PM

gr8 b8 4 db8 m8 i r8 8/8

http://youtu.be/87H6m2v4zNs