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[Aces]

I disagree with you on that. Her frame data is fairly broken, to the point where she has plenty of safe options. As long as you don't throw smashes around she's hard to punish and can out maneuver any character without difficulty.

Fair, but what do all the advantages amount to if you can't score a kill with her? A lot of her difficulty comes from actually sealing the deal and in FG i've never experienced more than one shiek able to perfectly graph out a combo that killed.

now hold on, shiek IS a ridiculously strong character, and the only reason imo she isn't recognized as the best in smash 4 is because of how strong luma alone is

i'm sure plenty of people know how good shiek is

she has extremely low lag aerials, projectiles, recovery that literally makes her invincible (not in the sense that it's really good, but that it actually DOES make her invincible for a few seconds), a combo for at least 30% at low - mid percents, she can easily gimp most characters in the game due to how fast her attacks come out, and to basically just spray liquid ass all over everyone, has multi-hit smash attacks

fast aerials and combo ability are the main factors of shiek no doubt about that. intricate shiek kill-combos are hard enough to pull off to where you're at no surprise to how you died given all the momentum and timing they require

idk about everyone else but in FG i have no problem matching shiek's maneuverability and the combos only serve to make up the damage you should be able to get on her anyways

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[ultimamax]

"Tier whoring" is playing to win. Play Sheik or quit complaining.

[Char]

in FG i've never experienced more than one shiek able to perfectly graph out a combo that killed

what do you mean by that?

[Aces]

what do you mean by that?

It's hard to explain, honestly

I was playing a Robin against a pretty good shiek an managed to die twice to the same combo.

It started with a series of fairs, use of the needles, then a bouncing fish, but the way it was set up caused it to kill at pretty early percents.
never saw anything similar again but you could tell thought was put into it

it seems like a simple combo but the spacing was clean as stuff

"Tier whoring" is playing to win. Play Sheik or quit complaining.

I think it's justified to point out flaws in a character with plenty of advantages.

and if my only chance to win past mid-level is to play characters that exhibit much better results than what I like or even barely enjoy then why even play the game if it hinges on a couple of characters.

[Char]

It's hard to explain, honestly

I was playing a Robin against a pretty good shiek an managed to die twice to the same combo.

It started with a series of fairs, use of the needles, then a bouncing fish, but the way it was set up caused it to kill at pretty early percents.
never saw anything similar again but you could tell thought was put into it

it seems like a simple combo but the spacing was clean as stuff

OK but like... most of that probably wasn't a combo but a lot of reads
i'm not trying to downplay it, but it's not like it's mostly guaranteed and something every sheik could just do if they got the setup

[CCCPancakes]

Fair, but what do all the advantages amount to if you can't score a kill with her? A lot of her difficulty comes from actually sealing the deal and in FG i've never experienced more than one shiek able to perfectly graph out a combo that killed.

As a Sheik main, I know full well what you're talking about, but I feel her lack of kill power is exaggerated. Her smashes can kill at reasonable percents(minus down smash, arguably her worst), Fair strings can take an opponent from one side of the stage to the next at mid percents, allowing for early kills with bouncing fish. Uair is fairly solid and up-B has amazing kill power.

She needs a nerf, though I can't say for sure what's the most appropriate way to do so.

[Julius The 1st]

As a Sheik main, I know full well what you're talking about, but I feel her lack of kill power is exaggerated. Her smashes can kill at reasonable percents(minus down smash, arguably her worst), Fair strings can take an opponent from one side of the stage to the next at mid percents, allowing for early kills with bouncing fish. Uair is fairly solid and up-B has amazing kill power.

She needs a nerf, though I can't say for sure what's the most appropriate way to do so.

sweetspotted usmash is actually pretty insane.

[Alkatjo]

^ Insane for sure.

Bowser dair'd me as i got the sweetspot and it was as if he was erased from existence.

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Sweetspots are so forgetin sweet
hehehhehehheheh

[Char]

Bowser dair'd me as i got the sweetspot and it was as if he was erased from existence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeOlLW5srjg

[Aces]

As a Sheik main, I know full well what you're talking about, but I feel her lack of kill power is exaggerated. Her smashes can kill at reasonable percents(minus down smash, arguably her worst), Fair strings can take an opponent from one side of the stage to the next at mid percents, allowing for early kills with bouncing fish. Uair is fairly solid and up-B has amazing kill power.

well I wasn't trying to exaggerate the lack of kill power but it's not hard to catch up to one from experience if I know what moves kill me specifically.

I'll have to shut up until I play more and more shieks because they're kinda scarce.

OK but like... most of that probably wasn't a combo but a lot of reads
i'm not trying to downplay it, but it's not like it's mostly guaranteed and something every sheik could just do if they got the setup

it was a sequence with little wiggle room but I may as well say I was read then.

like I said if I see more shieks do it then it speaks for itself

[Alkatjo]

I'll have to shut up until I play more and more shieks because they're kinda scarce.it was a sequence with little wiggle room but I may as well say I was read then.

this shouldn't be too hard, all of zero's fanbase pretty much follows shiek as a cult. anything that has to do with shiek is instantly liked, commented, and subscribed.

[CCCPancakes]

well I wasn't trying to exaggerate the lack of kill power but it's not hard to catch up to one from experience if I know what moves kill me specifically.

I'll have to shut up until I play more and more shieks because they're kinda scarce.

Decent Sheiks are definitely a rare thing. Most Sheiks I find are going for flash, trying to pull insane strings without reads, because they think they're a combo, that they saw in a youtube montage once.

[Aces]

basically, yeah. watch zero and assume because you know how to connect two fairs that you're doing something good, lol

[hodototman]