Good work detective
At this point you lost all credibilty I gave you on the subject. People get shot by 2 types of people: The criminals who do the crininal thing and obtain the guns illegally and the people who had improper background checks. Guns are fine, it is people that need the work. To go upon this I am going to ask my grandfather to load his rifle and put it in front of him to see if it shoots him.
Learn to jokes please.
I don't think guns are evil, they are simply tools, it's just the the people have far too much access to them and it is all too easy and common for bad things to happen. Compare all the times people having guns came in handy and helped situations to the countless deaths they have caused.
I am going to just straight out say that you are wrong about the 2 types of people comment, it's easy to make a statement that alligns with your ideals but unfortunately that doesn't make it true.
There are many types of people that shoot people, criminals, accidental fires, irresponsible parents/people, people plagued by violent outbursts and irrationality, severely depressed and socially disconnected people, etc.
These people may be criminals once they have shot someone, but that doesn't mean that either they have always been bad people or that they obtained guns illegally, with guns so easily purchased there is little ground for reason there. The people do need work, but the laws need work first, so far what has been done to make attaining and irresponsibly using firearms? How many casualties does it take before it's considered a problem?
I agree that it's a combination of societal factors. However, I think the problem is how mental health is treated in the US. I also think there should be background checks and training. I think that people have the right to bear arms, though; it's clearly stated in the constitution.
Mental health is the go-to excuse used in the media, but it does not justify the actions of government.
If the problem was mental health then how did they get the guns, why wasn't the situation avoidable, why do they it so easy to go and shoot up schools? This argument also paints a very negative image of the mentally ill, which is inexplicably counter intuitive.
Countries without guns still have mentally ill people and surprisingly the homicide rates are so far below the US that it begs the question, why aren't people being killed by mentally ill persons all over the world? Hint: they don't have guns
There is no denying that the presence of guns (and unnecessarily efficient/powerful firearms) is the cause of these deaths, had that potentially "mental" person not been able to go pick up a gun and pop it off then there wouldn't have been any crime. If I decided to go on a killing spree now it would be insanely difficult to obtain a gun, which would result in a far less efficient/commonplace slaughter.
People do have the right to bear arms and yes it is in the constitution written in the time of muskets and batons, but that does not mean reform isn't needed. There is so much proof of the negative effects of allowing people easy access to weapons, and the calibre of the weapons accessible by the public is equally outrageous. Nobody needs a fully automatic machine gun, if you "need" a gun there are plenty that are efficient in more ways than the ability to mow down masses.
Making guns illegal will just make them against the law. People will still have guns. Marijuana is illegal here in Florida but I know people that smoke weed religiously, illegality doesn't make it unobtainable.
People would still have guns, but there is a big difference between that comparison.
For starters marijuana is far cheaper and more common than shooters, I know dozens of people that will go buy drugs and smoke weed but I doubt a single one of them would want a firearm or to use it on innocent civilians. Guns would not be unobtainable, but it would be far more difficult and safer to have strictly regulated gun control than to have an all you can buy buffet of assorted weapons.
lol u linked to the shooting in Cali, the most un-armed state in the whole US
least armed yet still people are getting shot?
Also a massive ban on firearms would improve Black Market sales and effectively saturate the market with even more weapons. Sure its hard to get a black market gun now but wait till you start pulling hefty law bullstuff on it.
To respond to the above quote and the italics highlighted in Electrk's post, an effective ban on firearms would most likely make the black market for weapons grow somewhat, but it isn't as simple as a bill saying "no more guns"
They would be recalled as other countries have done, and whether it is a ban or simple legal reforms obtaining weapons would still be far more difficult and expensive, especially for an angsty teen.
Even if there was somehow a massive growth in black market guns what does that mean? Would everyone suddenly go to the black market to try and re arm themselves? Criminals that could buy guns off of the BM typically have their own stuff going on and aren't intending to go on a last man standing rampage. Even if they were which is worse, having the already present criminals continue to shoot people, or having those criminals plus whomever else wants to go kill some people and picks themselves up a gun?
Detroit has some of the strictest Gun laws in the entire United States and its gun-related crime rate is, much to the surprise of anti-gun liberals, one the highest. Banning guns doesn't solve the problem.
I'm personally wanting to own firearms myself in the future, so that I can protect myself in the event of a home invasion.
Many dangerous "recreational" drugs such as Meth and Cocaine are highly illegal in the US, and citizens/civilians are banned from possessing or selling them, but people don't care about those laws and smuggle them anyway, and they're everywhere. In fact just a year or two ago there was a huge meth lab that was busted in my area. Banning those drugs did absolutely nothing to stop them from being used wrongly; it's no different with guns.
A state with strict gun laws based in a country with loose gun laws does not make for no guns in that state. If I can't get a gun at the local shopping centre but can get one if I drive to another state then there isn't much in the way of getting a gun.
Banning guns
does solve the problem though ask a country like Australia that has banned guns and has had nothing but positive results. We got rid of guns and people stopped killing each other with guns, it's pretty simple.
Drugs are different from guns, taking in to account their affordability, addictive properties and ability to spread through communities it is clear to see.
Yes there will always be crime and criminals, making something difficult to obtain does not make it impossible to obtain, but it makes it far more strenuous and unlikely that the person will obtain them.
If all it takes to get a gun is to go to a gun store that's easy, if I have to figure out how to buy a gun off the black market with more limited supplies and come up with a large sum of money to afford it, I'm more likely to just not get a gun.
If I want to go get some cocaine it wouldn't be very difficult, yet if I wanted to go get a firearm I'd be completely out of luck. Also, I can't go and kill 20 people with a few grams of cocaine.
