Guy in Arizona gets gunned down by SWAT team

[Mastercookiee]

it cant be proven because they cant have a trial, and the only reason they cant have a trial is because hes dead. they did have evidence, and it likely would have proven him guilty. you cant even get a warrant for a raid unless you have fantastic evidence anyways.

i cant believe how easy you are to trick lol. a few twisting of words in a news article and you would be sucking bin ladens richard i bet.

Regardless, I still doubt the man would have been killed if the swat team wasn't so trigger happy, even if he was a "Criminal" he did nothing wrong in the situation. Just defending his home in a misunderstood situation. I still don't think he should have been killed though.

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[Fredulus]

As most of you didn't completely read the article, here's a quote highlighting some of his drug-related activity:

But the sheriff's office said just because Guerena was a Marine and worked at a mine doesn't mean he couldn't be involved in drug trafficking.
"We know from our experiences that good people turn their lives around and do bad things, and this guy was bad irrespective of his honorable discharge as a Marine," said sheriff's chief of investigations Rick Kastigar.

He said Guerena was suspected of involvement in a drug operation that specialized in ripping off other smugglers. One tip held that Guerena was "the muscle" of the organization, or in Kastigar's words, "the individual that was directed to exact revenge."

An affidavit supporting the search warrant that precipitated the raid describes the department's suspicions about Guerena in a drug investigation that appeared more focused on his brother, and his brother's father-in-law. Guerena's brother does not have a listed number and other family members have ignored written requests from the AP for comment.

Sheriff's Capt. Chris Nanos, who heads the criminal investigations division and oversaw the Guerena case, said that high-powered rifles and bulletproof vests that were found in Guerena's home after the shooting back up investigators' belief that Guerena was involved in drug trafficking. A shotgun found in the home was reported stolen in Tucson in 2008.

In the affidavit, sheriff's Detective Alex Tisch laid out the case against Guerena's family. It details two instances of drug seizures, one in April 2009 in which Jose Guerena was found in a home with other people who had just dropped off 1,000 pounds of marijuana at a separate residence, and another in October 2009 in which a man who had met with Guerena's brother was found with drugs and weapons.
Neither Guerena nor his brother was charged.

The affidavit also cites two traffic stops of Jose Guerena.

The first was on Jan. 28, 2009, when an officer pulled Guerena and two other men over north of Tucson. The officer seized a gun from Guerena, a marijuana pipe from Guerena's cousin and marijuana hidden in canisters of lemonade and hot cocoa that were under the feet of Guerena's friend.
The officer arrested Guerena on charges of weapons misconduct, marijuana possession and possession of drug paraphernalia. But prosecutors filed no charges against him.

The other stop came Sept. 15, 2009, when the sheriff's office pulled over a truck leaving the home of Guerena's brother. Jose Guerena was in the passenger seat and another man was driving. Officers searched the truck and found commercial-sized rolls of plastic wrap that they say are commonly used to package marijuana. No arrests were made.

Tisch wrote in the affidavit that the past arrests of Guerena and members of his family, combined with observations during months of surveillance led detectives to believe that the family was operating a mid-level drug-trafficking organization in the Tucson area.

The investigation is ongoing, the sheriff's office says.

[mp7964]

Cops are loving up everywhere these days. I swear to God if one tries to arrest me for somethin retarted, ill GIVE them a legit reason to arrest me.

You are the very definition of internet toughguy.

[Supersylox]

What the forget

Why would they send SWAT if they don't even have a lot of evidence

[Fredulus]

Why would they send SWAT if they don't even have a lot of evidence

they did, you handicap. they had a warrant, which requires a lot of evidence.

[Tokthree]

What the forget

Why would they send SWAT if they don't even have a lot of evidence

And how could SWAT mistake a guy falling over for a guy getting shot.
I mean I'm no expert on guns but I do know that they make very loud noises when shot

[Supersylox]

they did, you handicap. they had a warrant, which requires a lot of evidence.

But even so, why would they sent SWAT over just because of 2 men smuggling marijuana

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And how could SWAT mistake a guy falling over for a guy getting shot.
I mean I'm no expert on guns but I do know that they make very loud noises when shot

Because the stress of a standoff like that allows you to focus on your surroundings, right?

But even so, why would they sent SWAT over just because of 2 men smuggling marijuana

Have you seen all the drug trafficking violence and stuff?
For all anyone knew the guy could've pulled out an assault rifle or something.

[Supersylox]

Because the stress of a standoff like that allows you to focus on your surroundings, right?
Have you seen all the drug trafficking violence and stuff?
For all anyone knew the guy could've pulled out an assault rifle or something.

well yea but is it really worth sending a whole team of swat over drugs

[Bisjac]

well yea but is it really worth sending a whole team of swat over drugs

drugs are always are associated with violent criminals.

the guy had a loving assault rifle, clearly it wasnt a bad call.

[pocketrocket300]

Have you seen all the drug trafficking violence and stuff?
For all anyone knew the guy could've pulled out an assault rifle or something.

...He DID pull out an assault rifle or something.
Now it is all clear to me.

[stuntman021]

...He DID pull out an assault rifle or something.
Now it is all clear to me.

these are members of the swat team. they are trained to respond appropriately in situations such as this. they did not respond appropriately, therefore they are bad people
how is this hard to understand

[Supersylox]

drugs are always are associated with violent criminals.

the guy had a loving assault rifle, clearly it wasnt a bad call.

But if there were dark figures outside your home with assault rifles and pistols with safety off

Wouldn't you have done the same?

[stuntman021]

But if there were dark figures outside your home with assault rifles and pistols with safety off

Wouldn't you have done the same?

yes, because i have not undergone the training that people in jobs like the swat team have. they are trained to deal with this without freaking out and gunning him down, and they threw that training out the window and went with their first instinct. there's a reason not everyone can join the swat team

[Supersylox]

yes, because i have not undergone the training that people in jobs like the swat team have. they are trained to deal with this without freaking out and gunning him down, and they threw that training out the window and went with their first instinct. there's a reason not everyone can join the swat team

But then how did these officers get in the swat team, and kill an innocent man simply trying to defend his family?