blockStar - Hosting Administrative Services (Temporarily Locked - Page 24)

Poll

Should the personal account be offered for free?

Yes. I would use it at this point.
31 (46.3%)
Yes, it should.
30 (44.8%)
No. Keep it 3.50.
6 (9%)

Total Members Voted: 67

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This, folks, is why you should never trust the RTB team. They look for reasons. Consider this:

I post a picture of the template. The RTB team scowers the internet trying to find said template. They do, and post the fact that I'm using a template, and that the service is now stuffty because of it. They point out that the graph (that I never said was dynamic yet) was using filler data. They completely disregarded that I'm single-handedly programming 3 systems to work in unison with eachother in 3 different languages, and am focusing on the data. I pretty clearly stated that I may or may not be able to get any visual work (what you can see) today. It's pretty obvious that I was either working on it's parts, or on one of the 3 modules of blockStar.

I did vaguely claim to have made the template, and with a good reason. Pretty much to avoid having to respond to RTB's stuffty claims against me. You see, RTB can't really find anything wrong with this service, so they look for reasons. Even though petty, they use it against me that I'm using a template (that everyone said that they loved) instead of spending the time to hand-write it from scratch. Consider that I'm also a "one-man army", so it makes more sense for me to use a licensed template anyway. I paid the author the dues that he had requested, and have no issue using the template fairly.

The graph's don't have real data!
There's no good reason that I should put live data into graphs that I'm still tweaking and moving around. The data is there. It just needs to be called from the database. I assure you that the graphs do work.

But this is a template, so the service sucks.
Any reasons? Consider this: (1)the template looks great, (2)I fully and fairly paid the author to use it, (3)I'm the single developer here. Consider how much time this saved; If you're convinced that the service sucks because it uses a template, you need to seriously reconsider yourself.



I guess putting "done" in quotation marks means "barely done at all"? Pretty confusing!!
You probably shouldn't be assuming things if you're going to take shots at a service. I have every method developed to pull data from the server and have it on blockStar. That's what I mean by "done". Are you handicapped?

How do you make a login system unanimous?
All authentication is dependent on the web-server. 3 different things have to be able to connect to that web-server with their own methods and authenticate the client. The login system is "unanimous", meaning that all 3 modules can authenticate on the same system whilst using completely different methods. Maybe "in perfect unison" would have been a better phrase.

I just agreed with Ephialtes and Rubs opinion that you having done nothing and calling a wonderful design "wonderful" even though you did not make it! I was considering getting this but then you just called my rightful opinion sad. I won't be supporting you anymore!
Oh my! Thanks for pointing this out! I had such high hopes for this service. Nevermimd
Really?
« Last Edit: January 09, 2013, 03:22:10 PM by Jeep »


Disregarding the ideas because the person who tried to implement them dun goofed? Most of them are still good ideas, even if he's misrepresenting the progress thereon.

You guys are a presentation of the worst parts and tendencies of human psychology.

that you having done nothing

I'm pretty sure server control is within his reach.

and calling a wonderful design "wonderful" even though you did not make it!

If it is a wonderful design, why can't he call it wonderful? I don't think you are making much sense.

I'm pretty sure server control is within his reach.

If it is a wonderful design, why can't he call it wonderful? I don't think you are making much sense.
If he's incapable, that doesn't make these ideas any better or worse; try not to kill great ideas in their infancy. This can be highly beneficial to the community so I'm not sure why some of you are against implementation of some of these ideas. Maybe it's because some of you (read: Ephialtes) fear losing power and being competed against while you run your own game management tools; you have failed to innovate, at least over the course of the last few years.
« Last Edit: January 09, 2013, 03:30:15 PM by Kalphiter »

you have failed to innovate, at least over the course of the last few years.
http://69.64.43.11/login.php

lol

Also why say it's "done" if it's no where near done? What other sensible assumptions are there to make apart from it being done? Are you handicapped?
« Last Edit: January 09, 2013, 03:33:05 PM by Rub »

it surprises me that glass is talking about "wasting money" in this thread while he's spent well over $200 in blockland keys.

why, out of all people, would GLASS miss those 3 bucks a month when he used to buy a new key every week?
I wouldn't. But its still a waste of money for a stupid management system. I mean honestly.

If it was a hosting service, Ya, I understand. But all you do is give a remote management system and charge PER MONTH. It's a loving waste. Like seriously, It's server management, and should be a low cost one time payment, Not the price of the entire game for just 6 months of it.

I wouldn't. But its still a waste of money for a stupid management system. I mean honestly.

If it was a hosting service, Ya, I understand. But all you do is give a remote management system and charge PER MONTH. It's a loving waste. Like seriously, It's server management, and should be a low cost one time payment, Not the price of the entire game for just 6 months of it.

It looks pretty decent, and functionality should be excellent if it does what jeep claims. If it does, it'll be well worth the money.


I'm not meaning to misrepresent progress. I think I am being rather vauge, however. The data (most of it, still working on a few transfers) can reach the server, and be associated with that client's account. And is therefore able to be displayed within different blockStar modules as needed. Keep in mind that I need 3 systems to all work together perfectly, so I'm doing "under the hood" work (As in work that I can't take a picture of) at times, and "visual" work others. I posted a picture of the dashboard to show you what it will look like. It would be pretty redundant just for me to show you the login screen, wouldn't it?

http://69.64.43.11/login.php

lol
http://forum.blockland.us/index.php?topic=139637.msg6136612#msg6136612

lol

You've proved that you're willing to everything there is to do to make sure no competition exists. Even if you look like an ass while doing it, you'll just try and find something else.

I wouldn't. But its still a waste of money for a stupid management system. I mean honestly.

If it was a hosting service, Ya, I understand. But all you do is give a remote management system and charge PER MONTH. It's a loving waste. Like seriously, It's server management, and should be a low cost one time payment, Not the price of the entire game for just 6 months of it.
You do realize that you're making yourself look even worse than you did before you started posting here?

I'm also going to assure you that everything blockStar has promised, I will fulfill. I'm not sure why the template I used was brought up, but whatever. I guess there are stupider reasons to call a service stuffty. I have to be honest with you all, though. blockStar doesn't include a star when you buy it. I know. I know. RTB is going to be all over me about it. It clearly makes it a stuffty service, since I clearly said it included stars in the name.

It's more of the fact you said it's all "done" and the site is "yours" with a few "resources" used when all of that isn't true. If you'd have just been honest from the start there'd now be no issue, would there?

If you'd have just been honest from the start there'd now be no issue, would there?
I use templates every so often.
Though usually I just ask Fluffy for stuff.
he hates me.
but i love him
i love you fluffy

It's more of the fact you said it's all "done" and the site is "yours" with a few "resources" used when all of that isn't true. If you'd have just been honest from the start there'd now be no issue, would there?
Obviously there was no issue before this "leak"...

Sounds like another ambitious project you've not thought through and get really excited about then never do anything with. Best of luck!!
I don't think so, I stand by the fact that there isn't a market in this community for what he's offering and he's still not delivered anything yet.
But they can do it without blockStar too - and as you said, hosting your own server is a very easy concept. The hard part about hosting is having good hardware and a good connection.

You're offering basic remote management functionality that exists for free for most other games and will eventually exist for free for Blockland too, be it through RTB or something someone else makes. Nobody's going to pay a subscription to be able to remotely manage a server they host themselves, sorry.

I explain mostly what Ephialtes is doing in this post...
Jeep has a great idea about server management but I disagree with the paid features of it. That's probably the only disagreeable part. Remember, Jeep said that there will probably be a free version of this server management tool, meaning the paid part is only a supplement. A free version thereof is direct competition to you. You, on the other hand, have done nothing innovative with server management. All RTB has to offer as far as server management goes is preference changing and online/out-of-server player list viewing (don't forget the inability of RTB to detect a player as the host of a dedicated server! Funny how whenever I mentioned that inability my post was deleted) . You're quick to put down someone else's attempt (by unfairly considering only the parts you don't like) and make the bullstuff claim that RTB will come to the rescue. You've been here for years handling a server-management add-on yet you failed to innovative thereon. You have a continuous habit of putting down people's projects when they come near to your non-innovative projects. There are a few other possible grounds whereon you could be against this project, such as that features better than those on RTB’s hosting can be provided for free. I get called anti-competition for pointing out issues; no one calls you anti-competition despite your long history of it. Your goals are to drive out potential competition by discouragement and stuffposting until death.  See: Blockland Cloud and Kaphost stuffposting and abuse; this topic

I post a picture of the template. The RTB team scowers the internet trying to find said template.

I just google image searched your dashboard picture - it was on the first page of results. I didn't exactly dedicate hours of my life to this.

You probably shouldn't be assuming things if you're going to take shots at a service. I have every method developed to pull data from the server and have it on blockStar. That's what I mean by "done". Are you handicapped?

Well I'm not a mind reader. That's all you said in your post - how am I meant to know that what you meant isn't what you typed?

You see, RTB can't really find anything wrong with this service, so they look for reasons.

No I already stated a bunch of things wrong with your proposal such as your lack of experience, lack of track record completing projects, lack of good business plan, overestimating the size of your target market, failing to recognise that these kinds of services are offered for free for most other games etc.

Maybe it's because some of you (read: Ephialtes) fear losing power and being competed against while you run your own game management tools; you have failed to innovate, at least over the course of the last few years.

Yeah RTB provides a simple free server controls feature that allows people to change basic settings for their server. There's no point innovating because it does what it's meant to do and people are happy with that lol. If people were unhappy about it I think someone would have made a better one in all the years I've "failed to innovate." Feel free to make a better one by all means, I really don't care. RTB isn't a server management add-on - that's not what it specialises in. I honestly have no idea what point you're trying to make.

You've proved that you're willing to everything there is to do to make sure no competition exists.

I can probably speak for Rub too when I say we're not too worried about competition. We crashed the party 2 years late and gained more clients than the competition did over 2 years in just over a month. I'm not posting here hoping you'll go "oh stuff they're being so mean, I'm done with this" - I just think you're going about this in entirely the wrong way. Charging money for such basic functionality is never going to work, people just aren't going to pay for this and if they do someone will provide a free alternative.

"I just google image searched your dashboard picture - it was on the first page of results. I didn't exactly dedicate hours of my life to this."
Any reason you did that? You pretty clearly wanted to do something with it if you found something.

"Well I'm not a mind reader. That's all you said in your post - how am I meant to know that what you meant isn't what you typed?"
No, you assumed what I said was that the every single inch was done, when I was pretty clear both in that post and throughout the topic that I'm still working.

"No I already stated a bunch of things wrong with your proposal such as your lack of experience, lack of track record completing projects, lack of good business plan, overestimating the size of your target market, failing to recognise that these kinds of services are offered for free for most other games etc."
All of which are bullstuff arguments.

"I can probably speak for Rub too when I say we're not too worried about competition--"
So, what was the point of telling me to stop working on this? What was the point of pointing out my template? What was the point of trying to get me to think that I needed 800$ for the template? And again, you assume that no one will buy this. I pity you. I truly do.