People trying to increase the minimum wage

[Jeremie]

Well no stuff. That's the end result of sufficient societal advancement. The reason we are where we are today instead of loving around in caves and picking wild berries as a means of survival not because you like picking berries.


How did you even pull that from what I said?

I still don't see where you are going with that.  We DON'T have that and are not close.  We widely depend on unskilled workers.  By the way, most members of the military are considered unskilled workers at their pay grade  and requirements.  How do you propose we substitute all of those jobs?  Robots?  I wonder who would repair them?  Unskilled mechanics?

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[Pandan]

I still don't see where you are going with that.  We DON'T have that and are not close.  We widely depend on unskilled workers.  By the way, most members of the military are considered unskilled workers at their pay grade  and requirements.  How do you propose we substitute all of those jobs?  Robots?  I wonder who would repair them?  Unskilled mechanics?

It's honestly not even worth replying to him anymore.

Otis has been that way since I joined 5 years ago. He's a spoiled, ignorant child. That or he's trolling. No one can be this two dimensional.

Otis, what do you do? Your job? What is your situation.

[Jeremie]

I think we should be striving for the outright destruction of the unskilled labor force. Replacement of that labor with automation and the elimination of those who cannot adapt into a different field.

Have robots to do everything.  Even though minimum wage workers make less than ONE MILLION DOLLARS if they saved every penny for one hundred years.  Your robots might cost a little more than that. 

[Otis Da HousKat]

Hahaha.

You know exactly what I mean. Acting dumb isn't going to troll me hard enough.
You live with your parents, probably barely work. You are very well supported.
You have no idea what it's like.

Also, you responded to jeremie's sarcastic statement seriously? That's a joke. You're a joke.

Otis, I'm just going to start considering everything you say not worth reading. Because over the years that's what it feels like.

I'm not trolling you and don't know why you would even think that besides as a way to conveniently reject my viewpoint.

I don't live with my parents, I have a university education, and I've been working hard my whole life.

I still don't see where you are going with that.  We DON'T have that and are not close.  We widely depend on unskilled workers.  By the way, most members of the military are considered unskilled workers at their pay grade  and requirements.  How do you propose we substitute all of those jobs?  Robots?  I wonder who would repair them?  Unskilled mechanics?

I'm not sure on whatever official definitions there are, but personally I wouldn't consider a person with the ability to diagnose and fix mechanical problems in complex equipment as unskilled.

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Or you guys are just really dumb. He's not saying "kill everyone that's not educated or education bound, restrict birth rates, and replace McDonalds workers with Siri and a robot arm to fill orders." He's saying that we should be developing technology that removes the need for unskilled labor, like machines that will fill orders based on input, then voice recognition machines to take orders. With this system, you show up to a McDonalds, tell the machine your order, insert your money, and at the next window your meal comes out. This is how the entire internet works, when you load a webpage there isn't some indian guy at the other end of your line that copy-pastes the web code from a file into your socket stream. He's saying we should work towards automation of real-world tasks in a similar fashion.

[Pandan]

There's this thing called modern medicine.
And it's increasing our species' life expectancy.

The population on the western hemisphere has been growing faster than dying.

You can't seriously expect everyone to have skilled jobs?
Like jeremie said, that's a utopia. That's an unrealistic immature dream.  

[Muslim]

pandan is a douche

[Pandan]

Go stuff post somewhere else Muslim.
Since that's all you do. If you can't participate in a discussion, don't post.

[Otis Da HousKat]

It's honestly not even worth replying to him anymore.

Otis has been that way since I joined 5 years ago. He's a spoiled, ignorant child. That or he's trolling. No one can be this two dimensional.

Otis, what do you do? Your job? What is your situation.

I have a bachelors degree in electrical and computer engineering and am currently enrolled in a masters program for computer science. I've contributed to my field through work experience and am currently engaged in research as part of my graduate studies.

Besides my parents providing food and shelter I have always worked as long as I can remember to purchase everything I have without their handouts; I've even payed for my own college education to this point. I do not live with my parents anymore. I have done physical labor, customer service, heavy machine operation, electrical and plumbing work, teaching, engineering, and probably lots of other crap I can't recount right now. I've helped found two (currently) successful businesses with my skillset.

[Muslim]

goddammit

[Tom Gunn]

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Go be an ass somewhere else.

Here's my loving opinion since you're going to wet your pants about it:
My parents both work just above minimum wage, we only have a $725 rent and we can barely afford anything. We have to struggle to pay the rent and it's hard. I'm the poorest kid in my school. So do I think the minimum wage should be raised? Yes, I do. For other families like mine that can't afford everything they want.

This whole post is proof that you do not understand a thing about economics. Raising the minimum wage has consequences. We will all lose and there will be no actual benefit.

[Pandan]

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Go be an ass somewhere else.

Here's my loving opinion since you're going to wet your pants about it:
My parents both work just above minimum wage, we only have a $725 rent and we can barely afford anything. We have to struggle to pay the rent and it's hard. I'm the poorest kid in my school. So do I think the minimum wage should be raised? Yes, I do. For other families like mine that can't afford everything they want.

I'm being an ass for calling you out on your stuff posting? That's new.
You should have posted your opinion to begin with.

I have a bachelors degree in electrical and computer engineering and am currently enrolled in a masters program for computer science. I've contributed to my field through work experience and am currently engaged in research as part of my graduate studies.

Besides my parents providing food and shelter I have always worked as long as I can remember to purchase everything I have without their handouts; I've even payed for my own college education to this point. I do not live with my parents anymore. I have done physical labor, customer service, heavy machine operation, electrical and plumbing work, teaching, engineering, and probably lots of other crap I can't recount right now. I've helped found two (currently) successful businesses with my skillset.

That's good to know.

I'm similar in that; i'm paying for my own schooling, have worked various jobs.
I also pay my own rent. And I was kicked out at 17. So I had it rough for awhile.
I'm still in college, and a lot of students around me have various backgrounds.

[Bloody Mary]

This whole post is proof that you do not understand a thing about economics. Raising the minimum wage has consequences. We will all lose and there will be no actual benefit.

Sure, there will be consequences, but nothing severe unless the minimum wage is raised to something crazy like 30$/hr. I hate to be the starry-eyed fool in this thread, but most companies have enough revenue to raise minimum wage and still make a massive profit.

[Tom Gunn]

Sure, there will be consequences, but nothing severe unless the minimum wage is raised to something crazy like 30$/hr. I hate to be the starry-eyed fool in this thread, but most companies have enough revenue to raise minimum wage and still make a massive profit.

You are only thinking about the big guys. Small businesses are the backbone in all of this. You raise the minimum wage you raise it for small businesses too. Can I express enough how hard it is to pay 3 lazy-ass employees the current minimum wage while managing expenses?

[Bloody Mary]

You are only thinking about the big guys. Small businesses are the backbone in all of this. You raise the minimum wage you raise it for small businesses too. Can I express enough how hard it is to pay 3 lazy-ass employees the current minimum wage while managing expenses?

I agree. It's why I said "most", not "all". I don't really advocate a massive raise in minimum wage, but if a small business has 30 employees and the minimum wage is raised by fifty cents or something, the money lost by the small business will still be fairly minor even if we assume that each employee works 7 days a week, 8 hours a day.